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View Poll Results: Will congress address Puerto Rican statehood this year
Yes, but spanish will be the main language of the state. 2 28.57%
Yes, but spanish won't be the main language of the new state. 0 0%
No, and the constitutional assembly will happen (if you pick this, pick one of the options below) 3 42.86%
Puerto Rico will become an enhanced commonwealth 4 57.14%
Puerto Rico will become independant 1 14.29%
Puerto Rico will become a state, but spanish will be the main language 1 14.29%
Puerto Rico will become a state, but english will be the main language. 0 0%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 7. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-28-2013, 10:33 AM
 
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Although no one can never say never, but as it looks, STATEHOOD IS THE PROBLEM, for them, not us.

Puerto Rico will contribute nothing to the United States. I bet no statehooder here can dispute that. It will only take away from American taxpayers, but this will all come out once serious discussions are begun in Congress.

Under statehood Spanish will not be lost, but will remain a contentious issue much like those nations that have other languages besides the main one. The US is a MONOLINGUAL nation and I don't think it'll back off from being one just to please some new comers and a new state.

The ongoing discussion on immigration stresses the importance of learning English, not keeping the native language. All immigrants are the following the Nuyorican pattern, speaking English ( or a patois) but dancing salsa and eating alcapurrias with rice and beans. When they ask for bacalaitos fritos they ask for the in English.

I doubt Puerto Rico will follow the Nuyorican pattern, although some Statehooders would welcome it. They hide their true feelings behind a smoke screen of bilingualism when what they really want is an eventual phase out of Spanish in order to become true Americans.

 
Old 08-28-2013, 12:06 PM
 
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Puerto Rico will contribute nothing to the United States. I bet no statehooder here can dispute that. It will only take away from American taxpayers, but this will all come out once serious discussions are begun in Congress.
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I can dispute that and many other Puerto Ricans can. Residents in the island can't contribute like the states because of the current colonial status but don't tell me that American investors in the island don't benefit and there is no revenue in the island because there is and plenty. They have a huge underground economy in the island that gets ignored because of the ELA status and bad government administrations and system under ELA.

Congress can't complain since they imposed that status on the island. Puerto Rico doesn't pay full taxes like states because congress made it that way and you know the saying "No taxation without representation" but Puerto Rico already pay enough taxes to the U.S. directly and indirectly. I would love to have that debate with any congressman, I would educate them about Puerto Rico and the ELA status they imposed on the island.


and since when paying taxes and being wealthy were requirements for residents of a territory to apply and be accepted for statehood? if that's the case a lot of the 38 territories that are states today wouldn't be states since most of them were as poor or worse than today's Puerto Rico and that's a fact.


Statehood for Puerto Rico should be argue in congress as a CIVIL RIGHTS MATTER. You have 4 million U.S. citizens in a U.S. territory that are treated as 2nd class citizens and don't have representation and are under the U.S. jurisdiction and are forced to live under a colonial status that is lower than the 50 states. It shows on the unemployment and per capita revenues and poverty rate. They don't have the same opportunities and benefits as the U.S. citizens in the 50 states. That's how it should be argue in congress and if congressmen want to ignore that then it would be on the record and let the chips fall where they may during elections.


Clip is a independentista but I can take his negative arguments and put downs on Puerto Ricans on welfare and not paying taxes and make it a strong case for statehood and to abolish the current ELA status because that's the result of over 50 years of ELA.
 
Old 08-28-2013, 12:15 PM
 
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If those among us are so confident that Congress would never allow Puerto Rico to become a state then why not propose a statehood vs independence referendum? What's to be afraid of?

The independenistas/soberanistas (two sides of the same coin) have no arguments other than the already debunked claims about English being imposed and the end of the Olympics team (which has nothing to do with status).
 
Old 08-28-2013, 12:28 PM
 
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What are the english imposed arguments, and how are they debunked? And will PR speak spanish 100 years from now, no matter what? And do you think many more Americans will move there when it becomes a state, thus, making spanish less dominant?
 
Old 08-28-2013, 01:23 PM
 
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What are the english imposed arguments, and how are they debunked? And will PR speak spanish 100 years from now, no matter what? And do you think many more Americans will move there when it becomes a state, thus, making spanish less dominant?
How many more times are you going to ask this in every thread, literally? In every single thread you've asked this question. Why do you care so much, for one, and two, stick to asking the question in one topic
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