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Old 04-24-2020, 08:05 AM
 
Location: The Commonwealth of Virginia
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Originally Posted by kokonutty View Post
"The CW?" Is that some kind of code from your secret society?
I think "CW" is "conventional wisdom"....

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Old 04-24-2020, 09:50 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I think "CW" is "conventional wisdom"

Correct.
 
Old 04-24-2020, 11:48 AM
 
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In spite of all the anti this-country or anti that-country there are many things which go on behind the scenes which show how normal people and scientists just get on with business and life and leave the political people to make all the news. USA-Russia has been collaborating in space for ages otherwise there was no way the ISS can be serviced. OK, now there might be US companies which can help with
this, but before them it was the Russians.

26 million is terrible. I think things are still going to get a lot worse I am afraid. It will take quite a few months before the effects of this virus (like a bad case of the 'trots') pass through the economy and out the other end.

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I believe the US economy has already collapsed, (or is in the process of), I dont think our federal and state leaders are giving us ALL the details on this either.


What I see them doing is, scrambling...trying anything and everything they can to keep people hopeful, (in other words, keeping them under control for as long as possible), they are basically printing money and throwing it out of airplanes over the cities. (not literally).


Just the other day, the DOW was 450 points higher??!! Seriously...given that oil is crashing, along with everything else going on...and they expect us to believe the stock market GOES UP? HA HA HA...if that is not a desperate attempt to give people false hope...Im not sure what is!!


I dont think people realize, that during these kinds of crisis...the govt is NOT going to tell the public everything, first and foremost, they have to maintain control and order...so if that means lying, misdirecting, misrepresenting or altering information...so be it, they have no choice but to do these things, the alternative is mass panic, runs on the banks, anarchy in the streets, (govt cannot allow society to sink this low,or they would never re gain control).
 
Old 04-24-2020, 09:55 PM
 
Location: PRC
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Originally Posted by suzy_q2010
There is no evidence that water memory exists.

https://www.livescience.com/61273-ho...er-memory.html

You are free to believe in water memory and homeopathy if you wish.
There is no evidence that lots of things exist, so what you have said is little use to anyone. I have offered actual usage 'proof' that medical doctors in Switzerland and in the UK are using homeopathy and since they consider this is an effective form of treatment - are you qualified to give an opinion which is anything other than just that - your uneducated (in this field) opinion. If you have qualifications in a relevant area of science, then you are qualified to give an expert opinion, otherwise you are just blowing hot air.

The big pharma companies are worried about the effects on their profits if this whole area was to gain more credence in the public eye. The public could then do what Swiss people do - use homeopathy as an over-the-counter medicine. Or..they could even make their own very cheaply too.
 
Old 04-24-2020, 10:17 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Homeopathy is bunk.
 
Old 04-24-2020, 10:19 PM
 
Location: PRC
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It appears that being on a ventilator is not a good move.

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But the prognosis for a COVID-19 patient hooked up to a ventilator appears grim: about 88 percent of those placed on ventilators died at Northwell Health, New York’s largest health system, according to a new study.

Of the 2,634 hospitalized patients for whom outcomes were known (the study looked at 5,700 patients in total), only 12 percent received “invasive mechanical ventilation.” Overall, 21 percent of the patients passed away.
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More news about a vaccine but the sample is very small - only 8 monkeys.

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The team at Sinovac injected eight macaque monkeys with two different doses. Three weeks after injection, they introduced the coronavirus straight into the money’s lungs. There were reportedly no side effects.

None of the monkeys developed an infection beyond a small “viral blip.” A less fortunate control group of monkeys developed severe pneumonia after being infected by the virus.

“This is old school but it might work,” Florian Krammer, a virologist at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, who co-authored a status report on COVID vaccine candidates, told Science Mag. “What I like most is that many vaccine producers, also in lower–middle-income countries, could make such a vaccine.”
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In a separate Sinovac experiment, the researchers mixed a cocktail of antibodies from patients in China, Italy, Switzerland, Spain, and the United Kingdom with the virus.

According to the team, the antibodies “potently neutralized 10 representative SARS-CoV-2 strains, indicative of a possible broader neutralizing ability.”
So, there are at least 10 strains of this virus.
 
Old 04-24-2020, 11:17 PM
 
Location: PRC
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An EXCELLENT article posted on the health forum. It suggests we all need to keep an eye on our blood oxygen levels because this can be an early indicator of the virus in our body.

It will also alert us to go to the hospital when our blood oxygen falls lower than normal (94-100%).

Source article

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Pneumonia is an infection of the lungs in which the air sacs fill with fluid or pus. Normally, patients develop chest discomfort, pain with breathing and other breathing problems. But when COVID pneumonia first strikes, patients don’t feel short of breath, even as their oxygen levels fall. And by the time they do, they have alarmingly low oxygen levels and moderate-to-severe pneumonia (as seen on chest X-rays). Normal oxygen saturation for most people at sea level is 94% to 100%; COVID pneumonia patients I saw had oxygen saturations as low as 50%.

To my amazement, most patients I saw said they had been sick for a week or so with fever, cough, upset stomach and fatigue, but they only became short of breath the day they came to the hospital. Their pneumonia had clearly been going on for days, but by the time they felt they had to go to the hospital, they were often already in critical condition.
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Pulse oximetry is no more complicated than using a thermometer. These small devices turn on with one button and are placed on a fingertip. In a few seconds, two numbers are displayed: oxygen saturation and pulse rate. Pulse oximeters are extremely reliable in detecting oxygenation problems and elevated heart rates.
 
Old 04-24-2020, 11:36 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Originally Posted by ocpaul20 View Post
An EXCELLENT article posted on the health forum. It suggests we all need to keep an eye on our blood oxygen levels because this can be an early indicator of the virus in our body.

It will also alert us to go to the hospital when our blood oxygen falls lower than normal (94-100%).

The challenge now is to find a reliable oximeter, that is in stock !
 
Old 04-25-2020, 01:02 AM
 
Location: PRC
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More info relevant to this.
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Normal blood-oxygen levels are around 97%, Moss said, and it becomes worrisome when the numbers drop below 90%. At levels below 90%, the brain may not get sufficient oxygen, and patients might start experiencing confusion, lethargy or other mental disruptions. As levels drop into the low 80s or below, the danger of damage to vital organs rises.

However, patients may not feel in as dire straits as they are. A lot of coronavirus patients show up at the hospital with oxygen saturations in the low 80s but look fairly comfortable and alert, said Dr. Astha Chichra, a critical care physician at Yale School of Medicine. They might be slightly short of breath, but not in proportion to the lack of oxygen they're receiving..."
Link to thte other thread on the health forum
 
Old 04-25-2020, 06:40 AM
 
Location: The Commonwealth of Virginia
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Originally Posted by ocpaul20 View Post
An EXCELLENT article posted on the health forum. It suggests we all need to keep an eye on our blood oxygen levels because this can be an early indicator of the virus in our body.

It will also alert us to go to the hospital when our blood oxygen falls lower than normal (94-100%).

Source article

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Yes, excellent article. Read it. it could save your life.

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There are other things we can do as well to avoid immediately resorting to intubation and a ventilator. Patient positioning maneuvers (having patients lie on their stomach and sides) opens up the lower and posterior lungs most affected in COVID pneumonia. Oxygenation and positioning helped patients breathe easier and seemed to prevent progression of the disease in many cases. In a preliminary study by Dr. Caputo, this strategy helped keep three out of four patients with advanced COVID pneumonia from needing a ventilator in the first 24 hours.
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