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Old 07-11-2020, 05:48 PM
 
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Do you think it was real in Point Pleasant back in the 60's?
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Old 07-11-2020, 07:11 PM
 
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I suspect it was most likely a misidentified owl, made larger and more menacing in the viewers' imagination because it was night -- and once the description got out, others were primed to see a mothman rather than a big owl. The first witness drawings look exactly like a big owl with its head hunched down.
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Old 07-12-2020, 02:02 AM
 
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Owls dont have heads on necks (although they do have necks, it is under a bunch of feathers which makes it seems as if they dont.)

I have seen loads of large eagle owls and none of them are the size of a man or even a small man. This owl suggestion is really a stretch for me unless the mothman is a pygmy or height-challenged.

There are so many other weird things which have been seen across the country and in other countries that it is almost silly to suggest they are all misidentifications of one type or another. However, as I have said before it just exposes how uneducated, stupid and dishonest people in the general population are considered to be by folks who believe science is king. I guess if you cannot cut it up or poke it with a stick, then it doesn't exist in reality eh?

Putting it down to an easily-explainable natural cause is kind-of like trotting out the government scientist swamp gas or weather balloon explanations again and makes me think it wont be long before Occram's Razor gets an airing in this thread, which is what most pseudo-scientists use as their catch-all pat answer to the unexplained.
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Old 07-12-2020, 06:01 AM
 
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I'm sure a man in a wingsuit was possible in the 60s, at least on a NASA or military level. Jet packs were also available on some level.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mun_kUi9dx4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYXQQM1kZRU

Infared capability in goggles to see animals and people at night maybe? Now its available for a camera in your car, then, if available, would probably need to be on the government level too.

Maybe just red-tinted goggles to divert glare from the sun, or the moon and other lights at night?

Perhaps it was a military exercise.

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Old 07-12-2020, 07:14 AM
 
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I dont believe the mothman in Point Pleasant had anything to do with the bridge collapsing, I think too many people have decided that makes sense and have pushed the theory, but if you look at other natural and man made disasters at other times, there was no 'mothman' warning people or flying around the area.


I dont recall any mothman sightings before 9-11!! Whatever these things are, the intentions and motivations are likely not human, they would probably make no sense to us.


There was a big flap of sightings in and around Chicago, IL for about 6 months to a year and then they stopped, no huge disasters have happened there since. There are actually MANY witnesses who saw this creature up close and personal too.


I dont think its wing suits or jet packs, because there was no sound reported by those that saw it take off from the ground, or from trees, Maybe its possible someone discovered a way to fly (literally), and they were just testing it out, wore a suit so everyone reported it as a mothman or other strange creature?


Small jet engines do exist and they are not terribly expensive...but they are extremely loud, and the flame/afterburner can be easily seen when its in operation, (no way to hide or disguise this effectively), and a jet engine capable of launching an adult into the air from the ground, would be VERY loud and noticeable.
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Old 07-12-2020, 07:31 AM
 
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The Navy has a training base in North Chicago, IL.

Here is a photo of Coast Guardsmen tying up a boat near Point Pleasant, WV.

https://www.loc.gov/resource/fsa.8d19442/

You make good points, but I still suspect something military or government based. Remember the Philadelphia Experiment!
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Old 07-12-2020, 09:21 AM
 
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The Navy has a training base in North Chicago, IL.

Here is a photo of Coast Guardsmen tying up a boat near Point Pleasant, WV.

https://www.loc.gov/resource/fsa.8d19442/

You make good points, but I still suspect something military or government based. Remember the Philadelphia Experiment!
What purpose would the military have in developing something that would enable a person to fly like a bird though? They already have VERY effective ways of moving people around, a 'flying soldier' would not be a good idea anyway, (they would be too exposed)...


Besides that, jet packs or some other similar technology would be more likely, (instead of actual wings), the wings would have to be too large to fly a person, especially that enabled them to take off from the ground, ENORMOUS energy would be required to provide that kind of lift from a dead start.
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Old 07-12-2020, 09:22 AM
 
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Mothman: What are your thoughts?
Not nearly as cool as Batman.
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Old 07-12-2020, 09:24 AM
 
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What purpose would the military have in developing something that would enable a person to fly like a bird though? They already have VERY effective ways of moving people around, a 'flying soldier' would not be a good idea anyway, (they would be too exposed)...


Besides that, jet packs or some other similar technology would be more likely, (instead of actual wings), the wings would have to be too large to fly a person, especially that enabled them to take off from the ground, ENORMOUS energy would be required to provide that kind of lift from a dead start.
Okay well, that's really like asking what is the point of the military having soldiers?

A flying soldier, that could fly relatively quietly and undetected? That could be very useful for many things. But, if you think a strange creature from a lab, or Jurassic cave that unthawed, or left behind by aliens is a better idea - okay. At any rate - there are military/government vessels at Point Pleasant, and also Chicago.
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Old 07-12-2020, 09:40 AM
 
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Okay well, that's really like asking what is the point of the military having soldiers?

A flying soldier, that could fly relatively quietly and undetected? That could be very useful for many things. But, if you think a strange creature from a lab, or Jurassic cave that unthawed, or left behind by aliens is a better idea - okay. At any rate - there are military/government vessels at Point Pleasant, and also Chicago.
Even if it was some secret military project, or they were trying to develop new technology...ya know, there is a reason why places like Area 51 are so heavily protected and guarded! They do not want people seeing what they are developing.


Im mostly talking about the Chicago flap here, but nearly all of the sightings were in urban, heavily populated areas, many sightings took place in parks too, with lots of people walking around, seems like it defeats the purpose of secrecy to use new technology in such an area, when they go to great lengths to keep it secret.


One other thing I will admit is strange with this, other than the handful of sightings in Point Pleasant and the Chicago flap, those are pretty much the only 'flying humanoid' incidents Ive heard of, its not like there are 100s of reports of these things from every state.
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