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Old 11-18-2011, 05:43 PM
 
Location: playing in the colorful Colorado dirt
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I'm still thinking mass delusion.
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Old 11-19-2011, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC USA
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I think the 1942 Battle of Los Angeles encounter is the most clearest case of a real UFO. No one can deny the Air Force said it was a balloon in the 1980s. No one can deny that the Army fired 1400 rounds at the object for an hour. Its impossible to fire that many rounds at any object with direct hits and not bring it down let alone a balloon. That fact that government is not being truthful about it today tells us that something extraordinary happened that night. Why hide the truth about what happen for 70 years? We know the government is lying because of the ridiculous explanation that they fired upon a balloon. I'm sorry but anybody who believes that is an idiot. Weather balloons seems to be the excuse the Army used in the 1940s to cover up UFOs. This was also the case with Roswell which has physical evidence that was a UFO encounter. The physical evidence is the "Ramey Memo". The Ramey memo is a memo that General Ramey was holding in his hand in a 1947 press conference photo where he was standing in front of staged weather balloon debris. Recently modern software was able to zoom up and make out the text in the memo and it mentions that "a "disc" is the next new find" and it talks about "victims of the wreck" and "aviators in the disc". The Ramey memo is the ONLY clear physical evidence in the public domain of extraterrestrial encounters. People need to wake up. Why is it so hard to believe that we have been visited? We don't have the mental capacity to understand how large this universe is and how many planets, solar systems and galaxies there are out there. Its crazy to think we are the only intelligent life in the universe and its arrogant to believe that there is no intelligent life out there that is far superior to us in technology. There is much we still don't understand. Even our technology would seem like magic to humans a thousand years ago and its not out of the question that there is intelligent life out there that has figured out how to travel vast distances in the universe in short periods of time. Einstein's theories says that its possible and many scientist accepts those theories. WE just don't have the technology to do it ourselves. But its not impossible. Once our technology catches up with those theories, we will be able to travel vast distances in the universe. We ourselves are extraterrestrials when we send rovers and probes and eventually people to Mars and other planets. Our rovers are intelligent extraterrestrial objects on the surface of Mars.

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Old 11-19-2011, 08:48 AM
 
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I think the 1942 Battle of Los Angeles encounter is the most clearest case of a real UFO. No one can deny the Air Force said it was a balloon in the 1980s. No one can deny that the Army fired 1400 rounds at the object for an hour.
No one can deny that in 1942 this country was paranoid about an invasion on US soil.
No one can deny that putting 1400 rounds in the vicinity of a natural phenomenon that is mistaken as a ufo will not bring it down, for there is nothing to bring down.
No one can deny that all one has to say is that anything "is a government cover-up" to give it credibility. People are so damn gullible to any suggestion if one even hints as 'government cover-up'.
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Old 11-19-2011, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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Excellent point, Chango. The interpreters usually leave off their interpretations of all the other fantasy stuff that clutters these drawings. Flying horses, men with swords that project lightning bolts, magic shields and tiny elves at their feet. Wehre did they all go one wonders?

But give 'em a good ol' Sikorski BlackHawk profile and they yell "Hey! That's OBVIOUSLY a helicopter!" Amazing that the alleged aliens had, back then, the exact same helo technology that we have now; that they would travel clear across the massive universe and yet they needed rotating helo-type airfoils to get "lift" here. Why not just activate the grav-mod unit? Or the time-slippage modifier?

And did they then also transport those helo modules here from the system Glorgon, 480 light-years away, but oddly, pausing on the lifeless atmospherically devoid and frozen moon first where these units obviously could not have flown, and so then, realizing their silly mistake, they proceeded to drop them off here on earth, just soz to fly them around and impress the natives? Really? Why not give the natives some basic life-improvement technologies and let it go at that? Hmmm?

Please also Do Note that old Igor Sikorski himself came up with all the initial theories of helo flight. He had no divine nor alien nation inspiration; he made lots and lots of mistakes, and some very unusual and primitive prototypes. He didn't find the BlackHawk plans all neatly rolled up under his front doormat one evening! As in:

No aliens were involved in, or injured during, the making of this documentary!. Signed: The Management. You Can Trust Us!
They must have been "sky people".



Now if only I could figure out why the blue aliens evolved to be so perfectly human-like when everything else on that planet was six-legged and breathed out of the sides of their necks.
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Old 11-19-2011, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC USA
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No one can deny that in 1942 this country was paranoid about an invasion on US soil.
No one can deny that putting 1400 rounds in the vicinity of a natural phenomenon that is mistaken as a ufo will not bring it down, for there is nothing to bring down.
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The problem with what what you have stated is that the Air Force said it was a balloon, NOT natural phenomenon. Also this object was tracked on radar so it was a large physical object in the sky and it wasn't aircraft from another country like Japan.
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Old 11-19-2011, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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I think the 1942 Battle of Los Angeles encounter is the most clearest case of a real UFO. No one can deny the Air Force said it was a balloon in the 1980s. No one can deny that the Army fired 1400 rounds at the object for an hour. Its impossible to fire that many rounds at any object with direct hits and not bring it down let alone a balloon. That fact that government is not being truthful about it today tells us that something extraordinary happened that night. Why hide the truth about what happen for 70 years? We know the government is lying because of the ridiculous explanation that they fired upon a balloon. I'm sorry but anybody who believes that is an idiot. Weather balloons seems to be the excuse the Army used in the 1940s to cover up UFOs. This was also the case with Roswell which has physical evidence that was a UFO encounter. The physical evidence is the "Ramey Memo". The Ramey memo is a memo that General Ramey was holding in his hand in a 1947 press conference photo where he was standing in front of staged weather balloon debris. Recently modern software was able to zoom up and make out the text in the memo and it mentions that "a "disc" is the next new find" and it talks about "victims of the wreck" and "aviators in the disc". The Ramey memo is the ONLY clear physical evidence in the public domain of extraterrestrial encounters. People need to wake up. Why is it so hard to believe that we have been visited? We don't have the mental capacity to understand how large this universe is and how many planets, solar systems and galaxies there are out there. Its crazy to think we are the only intelligent life in the universe and its arrogant to believe that there is no intelligent life out there that is far superior to us in technology. There is much we still don't understand. Even our technology would seem like magic to humans a thousand years ago and its not out of the question that there is intelligent life out there that has figured out how to travel vast distances in the universe in short periods of time. Einstein's theories says that its possible and many scientist accepts those theories. WE just don't have the technology to do it ourselves. But its not impossible. Once our technology catches up with those theories, we will be able to travel vast distances in the universe. We ourselves are extraterrestrials when we send rovers and probes and eventually people to Mars and other planets. Our rovers are intelligent extraterrestrial objects on the surface of Mars.
It is a good example of weirdness that is very interesting because it's before anyone equated UFOs with little green men from outer space. Still, there is no telling what it actually was that they were shooting at. I doubt it was a weather balloon, but it's still not impossible as it would have been very difficult to shoot down a high altitude object at night with the technology of the time. The amount of ammo shot here was also miniscule compared to the tens of thousands of rounds normally lobbed up at real bombers from flak guns during an attack.
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Old 11-19-2011, 08:59 AM
 
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The problem with what what you have stated is that the Air Force said it was a balloon, NOT natural phenomenon. Also this object was tracked on radar so it was a large physical object in the sky and it wasn't aircraft from another country like Japan.
Cause they didn't know either what it was, that's the what the "U" in UFO stands for

A balloon is the most benign explanation to not create fear.
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Old 11-19-2011, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC USA
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Cause they didn't know either what it was, that's the what the "U" in UFO stands for

A balloon is the most benign explanation to not create fear.
something was in the sky be because they were tracking it on radar as they were firing on it and it was visible. The point is that it was an intelligently controlled object that could not be brought down after 1400 rounds of ammo and direct hits.



BTW

NASA cuts feed from international space station after an object in the distance traveling through space suddenly picks up speed. What ever the object is, its intelligently controlled because of the increase in speed and on top of that the object changes direction. Any satellite, space junk or meteorite traveling through space is going to keep a constant speed and its not going to change direction.

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Old 11-19-2011, 09:25 AM
 
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"Fastwalkers"...they're kind of a fact of life if you work for NORAD.
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Old 11-19-2011, 11:34 AM
 
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I think the 1942 Battle of Los Angeles encounter is the most clearest case of a real UFO. No one can deny the Air Force said it was a balloon in the 1980s. No one can deny that the Army fired 1400 rounds at the object for an hour. Its impossible to fire that many rounds at any object with direct hits and not bring it down let alone a balloon. That fact that government is not being truthful about it today tells us that something extraordinary happened that night. Why hide the truth about what happen for 70 years? We know the government is lying because of the ridiculous explanation that they fired upon a balloon.
Shortly after this post-Pearl- Harbor event, my faither, who was working up on the Queen Charlotte Islands off the remote northern coast of British Columbia, was "conscripted" into a coastal watch group, since he was not able to enter the Army.

They were awakened one night by an alarmed report of the appearance of multiple lights in the sky, that were rapidly approaching the islands from the ocean (west) and towards (gasp!) the logging camp! Much consternation!

Turns out, in the cool hard light of morning and the somewhat rain-drenched evidence, they found a number of Japanese incendiary balloons that had ignitors inside them, and that were intended ,we found out after the war, to start forest fires. Pretty funny, since the Charlottes get a record rainfall (usually well over 200"/yr!), and are also almost unpopulated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_balloon

So, a few hundred small balloons, incendiary in intent and design, would be very hard for a single AA burst to stop. As well, if there were, let's say, 50 or more of them, the entire air show would persist for quite a while.

See, there's this thing called "unambiguous" evidence", gsoboi. As in: "No other alternative explanation possibe." Hardly the case here, and your vast overstatement on this event...

Some modern-day UFOlogists have suggested the targets were extraterrestrial spacecraft.[4] When documenting the incident in 1983, the U.S. Office of Air Force History attributed the event to a case of "war nerves" likely triggered by a lost weather balloon and exacerbated by stray flares and shell bursts from adjoining batteries.

Air raid sirens sounded throughout Los Angeles County on the night of 24–25 February 1942. A total blackout was ordered and thousands of air raid wardens were summoned to their positions. At 3:16 a.m. the 37th Coast Artillery Brigade began firing 12.8-pound anti-aircraft shells into the air at reported aircraft; over 1,400 shells would eventually be fired. Pilots of the 4th Interceptor Command were alerted but their aircraft remained grounded. The artillery fire continued sporadically until 4:14 a.m. The "all clear" was sounded and the blackout order lifted at 7:21 a.m.



...is typical of the (hopeful...) rank wartime alarmism of those halcyon days of old, back when the dumb-butt public had an excuse, since they were really scientifically and technically illiterate. Not to mention that there are always those (even then, obviously...) who really wanted there to be true alien-guided UFOs.

I can only wonder why they haven't simply contacted us by now then. After all, they must have a vastly superior understanding of quantum physics, space & time engineering and materials science, so they have nothing to fear from our limited capacities.

But now, if they intend to conquer us, and then roast us like peanuts ["Will that be with or without salt?"] and eat us whole (gulp!!), why have they not just done so by now? Instead, like a bunch of bored teenaged boys, they amuse themselves making crop circles and flashing lights in our eyes at nights, but only out on rural highways, and ONLY when our cell phone camera batteries are always, but oddly, dead.

Or do they also temporarily drain the energy from those batteries, only to restore it as they're departing (because, as we all know, the witness inevitably calls someone, but only after they get their story straight in their addled heads, of course. It all gets pretty complicated, to make up a survivable story-line, duhn'It, gsoboi?

Well, heck' meh-bee them Aye-Lee-Uhns t'ain't near as smart as I've been givin' them credit fur then, huh?
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