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View Poll Results: Will the UK disintegrate?
Yes 158 33.47%
No 314 66.53%
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Old 03-21-2019, 02:56 PM
 
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After a hard Brexit, the EU's next goal would be to humiliate the UK. To make an example.

Don't expect a good trade deal.
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Old 03-21-2019, 03:04 PM
 
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Then again, once outside the EU, Brits can negotiate their own trade agreements with the rest of the world. Currently they can't.
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Old 03-21-2019, 03:38 PM
 
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I don't think the British parliament will be blackmailed by the EU into accepting the repeatedly rejected deal.
Let them do the hard Brexit, and then negotiate some new deal from there as it is in both sides' interest for economic reasons.
Blackmail? No, I don't think the EU believes for one second that the UK is going to do anything but hard Brexit.

The big screw-up was that at no point was there any real attempt in the UK to work out a bipartisan approach to negotiations with the EU, and, thus, this horrendous mess at the end because of that.

And the EU is just keeping the egg off its face by saying, "Hey, we worked out a deal with you...you guys just go with it and we'll cover you with little wet bunny kisses." Knowing full well there's no risk in that promise because the Brits are hopelessly mired in chaos and acrimony, and they will crash out. It's not a threat at all , it is only an empty PR gesture.

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Old 03-21-2019, 03:49 PM
 
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After a hard Brexit, the EU's next goal would be to humiliate the UK. To make an example.

Don't expect a good trade deal.
The EU will have zero interest in any "humiliation." That's silly conspiracy rubbish and should shrink down to become the private property of the UK's ultra-Right.

When the UK - and the EU - get themselves dusted off and set to rights as separate entities they can they make any deal they want. And each side is a big trade partner for the other.....when it come to making money they are not going to play silly games with each other.
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Old 03-21-2019, 03:52 PM
 
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Then again, once outside the EU, Brits can negotiate their own trade agreements with the rest of the world. Currently they can't.
I think they may have their hands full dealing with the chaos at the borders and stabilizing a bit before attempting to make any deals. Hey--they can have May negotiate them!
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Old 03-21-2019, 03:53 PM
 
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I doubt a compromise was possible. Brits were and are deeply divided. Some hate the EU, some love it. Neither side wants to live with a compromise somewhere in the middle. After all, the Brexit was all about regaining national autonomy, so any further interference from Brussels in British affairs was unacceptable to Brexiteers. What Brits wanted was clear: free trade without all the other things EU membership comes with, such as the free movement of people, EU law etc. The deal negotiated does not provide that national autonomy, it would be like EU lite.
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Old 03-21-2019, 03:59 PM
 
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I doubt a compromise was possible. Brits were and are deeply divided. Some hate the EU, some love it. Neither side wants to live with a compromise somewhere in the middle. After all, the Brexit was all about regaining national autonomy, so any further interference from Brussels in British affairs was unacceptable to Brexiteers. What Brits wanted was clear: free trade without all the other things EU membership comes with, such as the free movement of people, EU law etc. The deal negotiated does not provide that national autonomy, it would be like EU lite.
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The transitional agreement is just that, transitional. The long term relationship will only begin to form from the trade deal that arises post brexit
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Old 03-21-2019, 04:03 PM
 
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The transitional agreement is just that, transitional. The long term relationship will only begin to form from the trade deal that arises post brexit
The things negotiated in the deal are binding, the Northern Ireland clauses for instance.
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Old 03-22-2019, 12:42 AM
 
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The things negotiated in the deal are binding, the Northern Ireland clauses for instance.
That's the only instance, and the backstop is a backup in case the UK can't reach agreement with Ireland on how to fufill it's obligations under the good Friday agreement. In other words nothing to do with the EU aside from Ireland bringing it into the transitional agreement.
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Old 03-22-2019, 01:37 AM
 
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That's the only instance, and the backstop is a backup in case the UK can't reach agreement with Ireland on how to fufill it's obligations under the good Friday agreement. In other words nothing to do with the EU aside from Ireland bringing it into the transitional agreement.
That's ceratainly one interpretation.

The other is that the EU are being inflexible requiring that the Irish implement a hard border, which abrogates Irelands obligation to the GFA.

Who is responsible is very much a matter of perspective.
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