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View Poll Results: Will the UK disintegrate?
Yes 158 33.47%
No 314 66.53%
Voters: 472. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-10-2019, 09:41 AM
 
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Why are you worried about Scotland?



Whose official forecasts, the OBR - the governments official watchdog? Ha.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-predict.html



Again,your artilce is from 2016.
You do seem to rely on old data for your proof.
By the way UK economy returned to growth in May ( that's this May ) as car production increases following April shutdowns.
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Old 07-10-2019, 10:29 AM
 
Location: England
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Getting riled won't make any difference, if that's how the dice land that's it. Unless you have another referendum on it .



Who has been cooking the books for all these years pretending that we are the poor relations.
https://scotlandowntwofeet.blogspot.com/



So tell me why are the tories.labour and lib-dems so scared of losing Scotland?



https://www.thenational.scot/news/17...ee-save-union/
Keep dreaming that Scotland is viable. Get another vote, leave the Union, then we'll build a big wall. We will then stand on the wall, and see how you're all getting on. Sort of like going to the zoo.

Once again I'll state, the English are sick to the back teeth of whinging Nicola. If Labour depend on the SNP to form a government in England, after a General Election, then the English will finally have had enough.

You think we'll put up with the tail wagging the dog? Think again. If Labour went into a coalition with the SNP, they will regret it down the line. The English people won't take kindly to Nicola's smirking face telling us what to do.

The Tories won't be the only political party facing extinction.
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Old 07-10-2019, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Canada
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I've no doubt Trudeau is doing what's best for Canada but that doesn't make him any less of a knob.
I have a Canadian pal with a visceral loathing of him.
I find most Canadians don’t have extreme emotional reactions to their politicians. The politicians are generally actually rather boring (including Trudeau). All of them get stinky in time with power but then they are voted out and the other party takes over. Rinse, repeat. I don’t care for Scheer - his policies are vague and he tends to backtrack if he receives a negative reaction to what he says. So it’s hard to tell what he would actually do with power. That’s my main concern about him - nothing emotional about my opinion of him at all.

By the way, in that vein, the vote for Trudeau and the Liberals was mainly a vote against the previous Conservative PM who had been in power nearly 10 years... people were fed up with him.

Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason” ― Mark Twain

OK - back to the topic of the thread.

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Old 07-10-2019, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Glasgow,Scotland
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Again,your artilce is from 2016.
You do seem to rely on old data for your proof.
By the way UK economy returned to growth in May ( that's this May ) as car production increases following April shutdowns.

Here's a real goodie from 2014 which explains it all, it's not about the precious union or love or brotherhood or even economics, it's about saving face in the eyes of the world. It's about the old British stiff upper lip.


The gist of it is-If Scotland votes â€yes’, Great Britain will become Little Britain.No seat at the top table anywhere in the world.



https://www.spectator.co.uk/2014/07/what-will-be-left/
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Old 07-10-2019, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Glasgow,Scotland
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Keep dreaming that Scotland is viable. Get another vote, leave the Union, then we'll build a big wall. We will then stand on the wall, and see how you're all getting on. Sort of like going to the zoo.

Once again I'll state, the English are sick to the back teeth of whinging Nicola. If Labour depend on the SNP to form a government in England, after a General Election, then the English will finally have had enough.

You think we'll put up with the tail wagging the dog? Think again. If Labour went into a coalition with the SNP, they will regret it down the line. The English people won't take kindly to Nicola's smirking face telling us what to do.

The Tories won't be the only political party facing extinction.

Nicola wouldn't be telling anyone what to do she would get Independence and leave them to it.


Make Britain great again, Build the wall, build the wall, sounds very Trumpian.
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Old 07-10-2019, 11:36 AM
 
Location: England
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Nicola wouldn't be telling anyone what to do she would get Independence and leave them to it.


Make Britain great again, Build the wall, build the wall, sounds very Trumpian.
We'd need a wall to keep the Scots out. You want independence, all you've got to do, is find the guts to actually do it. Unlike the Scots, we were given a vote, and we actually did have the guts to vote to leave the EU.

Not our fault our politicians refuse to obey that vote. Tell you what, we actually leave the EU, then you guys have a vote for independence, and find the nerve to leave the Union. Then apply for EU membership. I can hear the laughter now.

Scotland is a pipsqueak nation, run by a pipsqueak politician. You need us, far more than we need you. Go sing 'Scotland the Brave', then get back to me when you lose another independence vote. The English are sick to the back teeth of it.

We need to concentrate on England's needs, because you guys sure seem only concerned with yourselves. I have lost interest in the UK. I am concerned for England, and the English people. We need to leave the EU, and take back control of our country.

Unlike younger folks here, I remember when we were an independent nation, before the EU took over. We voted for independence. You know, like you folks didn't.
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Old 07-10-2019, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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I find most Canadians don’t have extreme emotional reactions to their politicians. The politicians are generally actually rather boring (including Trudeau). All of them get stinky in time with power but then they are voted out and the other party takes over. Rinse, repeat. I don’t care for Scheer - his policies are vague and he tends to backtrack if he receives a negative reaction to what he says. So it’s hard to tell what he would actually do with power. That’s my main concern about him - nothing emotional about my opinion of him at all.

By the way, in that vein, the vote for Trudeau and the Liberals was mainly a vote against the previous Conservative PM who had been in power nearly 10 years... people were fed up with him.

Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason” ― Mark Twain

OK - back to the topic of the thread.
I had some strong feelings about Harper. So much so, that I almost wrote a very stern letter!!
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Old 07-10-2019, 01:58 PM
 
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Scotland is a pipsqueak nation, run by a pipsqueak politician. You need us, far more than we need you. Go sing 'Scotland the Brave', then get back to me when you lose another independence vote. The English are sick to the back teeth of it.
That really sounds very arrogant, what has Scotland ever done to you?

So Scotland needs England more than England needs Scotland, the EU needs England more than England needs the EU, it seems like everybody is dependant on England in your world view while England has no need of good relations with anybody. Don't you think that is an inflated sense of self-importance?

England itself doesn't have one set of 'needs', what is good for Carlisle isn't necessarily good for Cambridge and vice versa, and what is good for some people in Carlisle might not be good for other people in Carlisle.
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Old 07-10-2019, 02:20 PM
 
Location: England
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That really sounds very arrogant, what has Scotland ever done to you?

So Scotland needs England more than England needs Scotland, the EU needs England more than England needs the EU, it seems like everybody is dependant on England in your world view while England has no need of good relations with anybody. Don't you think that is an inflated sense of self-importance?

England itself doesn't have one set of 'needs', what is good for Carlisle isn't necessarily good for Cambridge and vice versa, and what is good for some people in Carlisle might not be good for other people in Carlisle.
What has Scotland ever done to me? Try talking with English people like my son who have lived in Scotland. Ask them about the aggression they have faced from Scots in their cups. Arrogance is a fine word, look in the mirror.

You really believe the nonsense spouted by wee Nicola don't you? You're just a tiny country, with a high opinion of yourselves. Independence would be ruinous for Scotland. Lucky for you, enough Scots realised this during your independence vote.

England needs to become concerned with the English. I don't give a damn if the EU needs us, or doesn't. We need to be free of them, and their disregard for my country. It's going to cost us, and them, plenty. I have no illusions how difficult they will try to make it for us.

Time you Scots realised who your real friends are. The EU don't give a damn for you, or Ireland either. We need to stick together. You don't seem to think so. OK then....... see how you get on without us. It's a scary world out there.

We English have never behaved towards Scots, in the disgraceful way English people living in Scotland have faced from some of your countrymen. The anti English sentiment expressed during your independence campaign has not been forgotten. If you dish it, you need to learn how to take it.
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Old 07-10-2019, 02:29 PM
 
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Why are you assuming I'm Scottish?

Even terms like 'wee Nicola', 'a pipsqueak nation' etc betrays a mindset of casual patronising disdain and arrogant superiority complexes.

Scotland leaving the UK would be about as economically ruinous as the UK leaving the EU, but in one case you seem to think it's worth it while in the other case you seem to be very resentful that they would even contemplate it.

You are clearly not a 'real friend' of Scotland judging by the sentiments you are expressing so why are you claiming you are?
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