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View Poll Results: Will the UK disintegrate?
Yes 158 33.47%
No 314 66.53%
Voters: 472. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-03-2019, 08:13 AM
 
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The point I'm making is Varadkar was touting it was all on the UK, and nothing to do with ireland.

What is hard to understand about the Irish border, is that it's been predominantly unregulated and open for the entire existence of the Irish Republic. Even before either the UK or RoI were in Europe? Yet somehow it's impossible to do now, because.... UK.

I call BS
It is all on the UK and not Ireland's call.
It's an EU frontier so any negotiated settlement must be between the UK and the EU.
Ireland is an EU member so they'll be at the table.

The history of the border really a red herring here.
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Old 07-04-2019, 12:05 AM
 
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Re: NHS, Today


https://www.thenational.scot/news/16...est-of-the-uk/


What is this little secret the tories are tring to hide? The poll paid for with public money.


https://www.thenational.scot/news/17...l/?ref=mr&lp=2
I note you only ever produce articles from the SNP house journal as confirmation bias.
So I'll ask a simple question.
If the SNP's record on education and health is so good why did it lose a third of its seats in the 2017 General Election ?
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Old 07-04-2019, 12:35 AM
 
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It is all on the UK and not Ireland's call.
It's an EU frontier so any negotiated settlement must be between the UK and the EU.
Ireland is an EU member so they'll be at the table.

The history of the border really a red herring here.
Exactly this. On joining EU the old rules no longer applied. History as you rightly pointed out has nothing to do with modern day realities.
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Old 07-04-2019, 07:13 AM
 
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There is a good recent article here about the irish border: https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and...t-deal-border/

It's a bit long but there are some interesting parts.
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Old 07-04-2019, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Glasgow,Scotland
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I note you only ever produce articles from the SNP house journal as confirmation bias.
So I'll ask a simple question.
If the SNP's record on education and health is so good why did it lose a third of its seats in the 2017 General Election ?

Both Conservative and Labour chose to make the election about IndyRef2 despite the Parliament agreeing to this in March of that year.
Conservative election spending in Scotland has more than trebled in five years, and it is unclear who is bankrolling it. Households in Scotland are being flooded with Conservative propaganda in a way they never have never been before.
One of the most dynamic parts of the Scottish electorate is the roughly 10% of voters who sit to the left of the SNP. This group tends to vote on the basis of progressive policy potential rather than party loyalty.

A third of SNP voters backed brexit, Whether or not this diminishes their support for Scottish independence remains to be seen.

The National doesn't let the SNP get away with much, unlike the Westminster lackeys in the MSM it supports Scotland's right to choose.
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Old 07-06-2019, 01:47 AM
 
Location: England
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I have read this morning, Labour are languishing in opinion polls. In times like this, with the Tories in turmoil, they should be racing ahead, a political party ready for government.

Instead, their leader Jeremy Corbyn is sliding down in public opinion. He is being seen for what he is, a 70 year old socialist of the old school, who has surrounded himself with incompetence.

Labour MPs, silent in the main, after Corbyn's better than expected showing in the General Election of 2017, are getting nervous. Especially those from areas that voted to leave the EU.

The Liberals as usual, are seeing a new dawn, and want a General Election. The Tories are starting to sense all is not lost. Deliver Brexit, then call an election. Try and find a way to work with Nigel Farage. The Tories are nothing if not adaptable.

Interesting times.
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Old 07-06-2019, 02:40 AM
 
Location: Malaga Spain & Lady Lake, Florida
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I have read this morning, Labour are languishing in opinion polls. In times like this, with the Tories in turmoil, they should be racing ahead, a political party ready for government.

Instead, their leader Jeremy Corbyn is sliding down in public opinion. He is being seen for what he is, a 70 year old socialist of the old school, who has surrounded himself with incompetence.

Labour MPs, silent in the main, after Corbyn's better than expected showing in the General Election of 2017, are getting nervous. Especially those from areas that voted to leave the EU.

The Liberals as usual, are seeing a new dawn, and want a General Election. The Tories are starting to sense all is not lost. Deliver Brexit, then call an election. Try and find a way to work with Nigel Farage. The Tories are nothing if not adaptable.

Interesting times.
Labour's lost all support for not doing what they should do which is oppose the Conservatives

Labour should have been the party of remain from the get go, they would have had at least 48% of the country voting for them today and if the polls are to believed and a general election was called they would win by a landslide.

Conservatives trying to take the Brexit parties support is totally missing the point, they will lose half of their votes if there was a clear alternative.

Tom Watson's openly campaigning now for Labour to come out fully as the party of remain and Corbyn's day's could be numbered, if not, the Lib Dems will happily take the votes that are against Brexit when a general election comes along which looks to be increasingly likely.

If Boris becomes PM he could be the shortest lived PM in the UKs history with conservative MP's now openly saying they will not allow a no deal Brexit to happen by intention or accident.

Interesting times indeed.
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Old 07-06-2019, 03:15 AM
 
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Interesting times if somewhat concerning times for those living in UK. To answer the question posed, that being is Brexit the beginning of the end for the UK? Answer being could well be. Britain is increasingly divided between nations that compose it. Not mentioning the great South/North divide within England itself. One does get the feeling London would happily build a wall around itself joined by a few southern counterparts and Scotland to keep the 'deviants' from the regions at bay and allowing them to go on their own merry way.
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Old 07-06-2019, 03:40 AM
 
Location: England
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Labour's lost all support for not doing what they should do which is oppose the Conservatives

Labour should have been the party of remain from the get go, they would have had at least 48% of the country voting for them today and if the polls are to believed and a general election was called they would win by a landslide.

Conservatives trying to take the Brexit parties support is totally missing the point, they will lose half of their votes if there was a clear alternative.

Tom Watson's openly campaigning now for Labour to come out fully as the party of remain and Corbyn's day's could be numbered, if not, the Lib Dems will happily take the votes that are against Brexit when a general election comes along which looks to be increasingly likely.

If Boris becomes PM he could be the shortest lived PM in the UKs history with conservative MP's now openly saying they will not allow a no deal Brexit to happen by intention or accident.

Interesting times indeed.
The Tories have no one to blame but themselves, for the mess they are in. Panic in the ranks over UKIP, caused David Cameron to decide to offer a vote on the EU. He never seriously thought it would go to leave. It's been downhill ever since.

Voting Theresa May, a remainer into power, another mistake. The poor woman was massively over promoted. Also very self deluded. She promised the EU she would get the cobbled together deal through Parliament. Another massive misjudgement.

She promised, I believe over a hundred times, in Parliament, we would leave the EU at the end of March. Shameful bluffing, that brought her down in the end. Because of that, Nigel Farage decided it was time he got back in the game. Now, the Tories are haemorrhaging votes to the Brexit party. They are looking for a Messiah, sadly which are pretty thin on the ground. I think Boris is more your typical follower, dressed up as a Messiah...... It is all so ridiculous now, that it's become very funny.

Meanwhile, the official opposition, has a 70 year old deluded politician leading them. A man who has despised the EU for over 40 years. A politician who has never met a terrorist he doesn't sympathise with. A professional irritant in the Labour party for many decades. He surrounds himself with his long time cronies, and refuses to listen to anyone outside his sacred inner circle. A disaster in the making. He has passed his peak. The walls are starting to close in on this old time socialist.

The Tories sense all is not lost. They can still survive this. The ancient membership will vote Boris in as new PM. "I'll get us out of the EU by the end of October. Honest......." Rebels within the Tory party whisper "no ya won't. Not without a deal." The knives are out before Boris even passes the door into 10 Downing Street.

The EU watch on in amazement. A slow motion car crash that seems without end. They must be girding themselves now for a no deal Brexit. Many hundreds of thousand jobs will be lost here, and within the EU. They are not without blame. Surely, they must look back now, and realise this has been coming for decades. The unending immigration to this small island, eventually leading to where we are now. Nobody is blameless in this whole fiasco.
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Old 07-06-2019, 05:28 AM
 
Location: Malaga Spain & Lady Lake, Florida
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The Tories have no one to blame but themselves, for the mess they are in. Panic in the ranks over UKIP, caused David Cameron to decide to offer a vote on the EU. He never seriously thought it would go to leave. It's been downhill ever since.

Voting Theresa May, a remainer into power, another mistake. The poor woman was massively over promoted. Also very self deluded. She promised the EU she would get the cobbled together deal through Parliament. Another massive misjudgement.

She promised, I believe over a hundred times, in Parliament, we would leave the EU at the end of March. Shameful bluffing, that brought her down in the end. Because of that, Nigel Farage decided it was time he got back in the game. Now, the Tories are haemorrhaging votes to the Brexit party. They are looking for a Messiah, sadly which are pretty thin on the ground. I think Boris is more your typical follower, dressed up as a Messiah...... It is all so ridiculous now, that it's become very funny.

Meanwhile, the official opposition, has a 70 year old deluded politician leading them. A man who has despised the EU for over 40 years. A politician who has never met a terrorist he doesn't sympathise with. A professional irritant in the Labour party for many decades. He surrounds himself with his long time cronies, and refuses to listen to anyone outside his sacred inner circle. A disaster in the making. He has passed his peak. The walls are starting to close in on this old time socialist.

The Tories sense all is not lost. They can still survive this. The ancient membership will vote Boris in as new PM. "I'll get us out of the EU by the end of October. Honest......." Rebels within the Tory party whisper "no ya won't. Not without a deal." The knives are out before Boris even passes the door into 10 Downing Street.

The EU watch on in amazement. A slow motion car crash that seems without end. They must be girding themselves now for a no deal Brexit. Many hundreds of thousand jobs will be lost here, and within the EU. They are not without blame. Surely, they must look back now, and realise this has been coming for decades. The unending immigration to this small island, eventually leading to where we are now. Nobody is blameless in this whole fiasco.

It is a fiasco, being British outside of the UK I get asked about Brexit all the time both here in Spain and in the USA, most people shake their head in disbelief, its a total mess for sure.
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