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View Poll Results: Will the UK disintegrate?
Yes 158 33.47%
No 314 66.53%
Voters: 472. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-24-2019, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Isle of Man
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'Britain has much to contribute to' - well, he certainly got that right!

'as well as much to gain from' - complete and utter *******s! We have gained absolutely nothing from being tied into this rats nest.

I hope our exit encourages peoples from other European nations to follow suit, take back their own destiny, and flush this repugnant organisation into the sewer.

Merry Christmas.
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Old 12-24-2019, 02:54 PM
 
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It was already a political union at that point, and the Treaty of Rome that the UK signed up to specifically states that it is an 'ever closer union' that will deepen integration over time.
The devil is in the details.
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Old 12-24-2019, 03:23 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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It was already a political union at that point, and the Treaty of Rome that the UK signed up to specifically states that it is an 'ever closer union' that will deepen integration over time.
Nothing in that letter signed by PM Heath said that there was going to be a superseding government and a loss of control over borders or immigration.
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Old 12-24-2019, 04:26 PM
 
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what is it with Remainers, they seem incapable of accepting the result of any vote.
What it is it that Remainers , detect the complications, including, most importantly the end look, associated with such an un necessary vote, cast by all too many clueless to further outcomes.
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Old 12-24-2019, 04:31 PM
 
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'Britain has much to contribute to' - well, he certainly got that right!

'as well as much to gain from' - complete and utter *******s! We have gained absolutely nothing from being tied into this rats nest.

I hope our exit encourages peoples from other European nations to follow suit, take back their own destiny, and flush this repugnant organisation into the sewer.

Merry Christmas.
Being part of the richest and most powerful economic union in the world, was hardly nothing. Plenty would love to subvert that Union, either out of ignorance or malice though.
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Old 12-24-2019, 04:52 PM
 
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NO.
I voted in 1975 to stay in "The Common Market".
I voted in 2016 to leave "The European Union".
2 different votes.
I had no vote in joining a political union.
Anyone would think that the House of Parliament was made redundant and all life was controlled by evil foreigners in some alien land. But not knowing the Continent that you reside in, I can see there may well be elements of confusion with the expansion over time of The Union.


I wonder how many will applaud the agenda, likely to be imposed without any fear of sanction, on the unprepared and ill informed parts of the population over the future? The loss or watering down of certain rights, the harsher laws , controls. All typical right wing agenda stuff. Enjoy it. Some will definitely profit others, I'm afraid.....well let's wait and see.
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Old 12-24-2019, 05:41 PM
 
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Nothing in that letter signed by PM Heath said that there was going to be a superseding government and a loss of control over borders or immigration.
You seem to have very limited knowledge of EU affairs.

Freedom of movement across borders for workers in the coal and steel industries was a thing even in the early 1960s and it was the very clearly stated policy of the European Communities to extend that to all workers.

For For people of my generation this was a huge positive, we suddenly had our horizons expanded beyond the narrow nationalist identity that some of the more uneducated seemed to cling to.
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Old 12-24-2019, 06:26 PM
 
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what is it with Remainers, they seem incapable of accepting the result of any vote.

Well even the darling of The Right, Margaret Thatcher, was a central architect of European integration. (Single European Act 1986)
She of course also said, in one of her more reflective moments of clarity, that "Our destiny is in Europe"
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Old 12-24-2019, 06:40 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Well even the darling of The Right, Margaret Thatcher, was a central architect of European integration. (Single European Act 1986)
She of course also said, in one of her more reflective moments of clarity, that "Our destiny is in Europe"
She had second thoughts, which is why the Conservative Party turfed her in a 1991 "leadership review."
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Old 12-24-2019, 11:11 PM
 
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Well no the nation lost. Perhaps The Union as well. Time will tell on the latter. Those that voted were clueless on the look and shape of the outcome they voted for. It was a vote based on a four word slogan. No way to run a country. Let alone a union. Sad thing being, it is unlikely many will move on for a considerable time, nor the preferred direction with vote as stands. Things are considerably more complicated than you and many Brexiteers appear to imagine it.
The referendum result was a vote on a one word slogan - Leave.
And today will be the last Christmas Day we'll ever spend in the EU.
What a marvellous present for everyone.
Glad tidings to all.
Enjoy the celebrations.
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