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But if the person just made a mistake, which seems to be the case, why on earth skip the country? Such mistakes incur, at most, a fine and a few months loss of licence, and can result in perhaps a reprimand with no real penalty.
Skipping the country and causing a diplomatic incident as well as a slap in the face for the relatives of the deceased is arrogance in the extreme.
She didn't "skip" the country. She was a former and is a current CIA operative. She left shortly after incident, you seem to think there was a personal choice she made, I can assure you her options were incredibly limited. Once her husband, a US intelligence officer, was recalled to the US there was probably under 24 hours notice to get their affairs in order and leave. Failure to do so is a violation of their terms of employment. This was not, nor ever has been, like working in the UK on a visa, they were solely in the UK on US orders. Most Americans don't travel using USAF transportation.
She did skip the country. Spin it however you like, but the facts are that she skipped the country after causing a fatal traffic incident.
Its not spin, you're just ignorant of the process foreign dignitaries and their families need to operate. They were never in the UK by choice, they did not leave by choice, it was all determined by the US State Department. Indeed once the US State Department recalls them they would be in the UK illegally if they do not leave unless the State Dept gave them leave to stay for a short period.
The same claims have been made that she could just waive her Diplomatic Immunity regardless of whether she has it or not, if she does have it she cannot waive it, if she does not theres nothing to waive.
This isn't something most people can understand unless they've been deployed to a foreign country either with the military or Diplomatic corps.
The case against the Foreign Office will be dealt with by the Courts in November, whilst the Crown Prosecution Service, Director of Public Prosecutions and Attorney General are all in agreement that Anne Sacoolas did not have DI, and are pushing ahead with a criminal court case.
The US State Department is now reported to be cooperating and any trial will be carried out remotely, and any sentence served in the US.
At the same time the arrangement regarding Croughton has been subject to clarification to make sure that under no circumstances can this happen again, with it being made crystal clear that neither technical officers based at Croughton or their spouses have immunity in relation to serious criminal incidents in the UK.
So it seems that this may now come to a conclusion that is agreeable to all parties and the Dunn family can hopefully find some closure.
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Originally Posted by Sky News
Harry Dunn's alleged killer Anne Sacoolas is reportedly willing to discuss the possibility of a virtual trial in the UK.
Sources close to the 43-year-old told the Press Association (PA) that despite the attorney general's office considering conducting a trial remotely, she had not yet been approached about the matter.
PA said it understood Mrs Sacoolas wished to speak with UK authorities to find a path forward.
Extradition it seems, is a two way street. 2 years on, the UK has still not extradited this US citizen back to the US. The background at the link is convoluted. Basically, a botched attempt to kidnap three children and kill their*parents.
Extradition it seems, is a two way street. 2 years on, the UK has still not extradited this US citizen back to the US. The background at the link is convoluted. Basically, a botched attempt to kidnap three children and kill their*parents.
In terms of the link Gary Blake Reburn was arrested in the United Kingdom and is currently under the process of being extradited to the United States, whilst Valerie Hayes is currently serving a sentence in a Scottish prison. Florida man Frank Amnott has already been convicted and was given a life sentence.
The UK has waived immunity some 13 times since 1999 in relation to the US, whilst the US has not waived immunity once to the UK.
In the UK Conservative Member of Parliament Tom Tugendhat, chairman of the Commons Foreign Affairs Committee, has stated earlier this year: 'Any score that ends up 13-0 makes it look like the ref is biased. 'We need to make sure our friends in the US are playing by the same rules. If they're not, nor should we.'
Whilst Conservative Member of Parliament David Davis stated the following in Parliament in January 2020 "Since 2007, the UK has surrendered 135 UK nationals to the US, 99 of them for non-violent alleged offences. During the same period, the US has surrendered only 11 people to the UK.
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The Sacaoolas case is one of three in recent years that have caused major diplomatic problems for the the UK in relation to US extradition, and the UK is now starting to look at changes in it's extradition relationship with the US.
Anne Sacoolas is wanted on extradition to the UK for Causing death by dangerous driving in 2019 but this has been denied by US Authorities.
Gavin “Scott” Hapgood is wanted in the British Overseas territory of Anguilla on murder charges in relation to a 2018 incident when resort handyman Kenny Mitchel was murdered by Hapgood.
Dean Sprouting was a Captain in the British Army killed by a recklessly driven forklift whilst jogging in 2018 on a base in Iraq. Two US soldiers faced three charges including negligent homicide but an American Brigadier General ruled these be dropped. One of the US Soldiers described Sprouting an an idiot for jogging in the area despite it being a designated running route, they also laughed and refused to attend the British Coroners Inquest despite being requested to attend for questioning.
All three of these recent decisions made by the US were largely based on political interference by US politicians rather than based on the law. Trump has been personally involved in both the Sacoolas and Hapgood cases, whilst a US Brigadier General ruled that charges be dropped in relation to the death of Dean Sprouting.
As a result the UK Government is becoming increasingly unsympathetic to US demands, and many people in Britain have had enough of the current extradition system with the US.
In the end other countries will just start treating the US with the same disdain as the US has shown them.
If the UK had someone like John Wayne, they could send him and his squad over here and snatch her by using one of those balloon things with Mrs. Corrigan tethered to it.
If the UK had someone like John Wayne, they could send him and his squad over here and snatch her by using one of those balloon things with Mrs. Corrigan tethered to it.
In terms of the link Gary Blake Reburn was arrested in the United Kingdom and is currently under the process of being extradited to the United States, whilst Valerie Hayes is currently serving a sentence in a Scottish prison. Florida man Frank Amnott has already been convicted and was given a life sentence.
The UK has waived immunity some 13 times since 1999 in relation to the US, whilst the US has not waived immunity once to the UK.
In the UK Conservative Member of Parliament Tom Tugendhat, chairman of the Commons Foreign Affairs Committee, has stated earlier this year: 'Any score that ends up 13-0 makes it look like the ref is biased. 'We need to make sure our friends in the US are playing by the same rules. If they're not, nor should we.'
Whilst Conservative Member of Parliament David Davis stated the following in Parliament in January 2020 "Since 2007, the UK has surrendered 135 UK nationals to the US, 99 of them for non-violent alleged offences. During the same period, the US has surrendered only 11 people to the UK.
You're cherry-picking the numbers, likely telling the truth, but not the whole truth. Economical with the truth?
The numbers you quote are meaningless until the full context is known.
Tell me how many applications each country made, and how many were granted, both for those with, and without immunity.
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