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Old 05-16-2022, 04:21 AM
 
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See, just like I said, our 'friends' in the EU just won't accept the fact that the UK is a separate sovereign country and still likes to think they have the right to tell the UK what to do. Whether YOU like it or not NI IS part of the UK and the UK should NOT allow itself to be forced to put a border through the middle of its own bloody territory, I don't give a stuff whether you disagree or not and throwing insults at me from behind the safety of your keyboard isn't going to change my mind.
well luckily bar room blowhard buffoons like you arent involved in International diplomacy , I couldnt care less if you " dont give a stuff "

if a wall wasnt erected during the premiership of a hawk like Mrs Thatcher and when Unionists completely ruled the roost in Northern Ireland , its sure as hell not going to happen now , even the most hardcore ulster unionists arent deluded enough to believe that will happen , keep dreaming chicken hawk , its amusing reading youre fantasy politics ideas
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Old 05-16-2022, 04:37 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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well luckily bar room blowhard buffoons like you arent involved in International diplomacy , I couldnt care less if you " dont give a stuff "

if a wall wasnt erected during the premiership of a hawk like Mrs Thatcher and when Unionists completely ruled the roost in Northern Ireland , its sure as hell not going to happen now , even the most hardcore ulster unionists arent deluded enough to believe that will happen , keep dreaming chicken hawk , its amusing reading youre fantasy politics ideas
More insults eh tough guy? I'm sorry you don't like my 'stance' but I ask again why should the UK be forced to put a border up WITHIN ITS OWN COUNTRY?? The EU doesn't seem to have any issues with the Swiss borders so why with the UK border? Can you answer me that without reverting to childish insults?
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Old 05-16-2022, 06:27 AM
 
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More insults eh tough guy? I'm sorry you don't like my 'stance' but I ask again why should the UK be forced to put a border up WITHIN ITS OWN COUNTRY?? The EU doesn't seem to have any issues with the Swiss borders so why with the UK border? Can you answer me that without reverting to childish insults?
" tough guy "

oh the irony

youre the one around these parts who sits at the end of the bar dishing out his " I tell it like it is " home spun political takes
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Old 05-16-2022, 06:28 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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" tough guy "

oh the irony

youre the one around these parts who sits at the end of the bar dishing out his " I tell it like it is " home spun political takes
Are you going to actually answer the question?
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Old 05-16-2022, 06:51 AM
 
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Are you going to actually answer the question?
Who,s asking the UK to erect a border ?
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Old 05-16-2022, 06:59 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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Who,s asking the UK to erect a border ?
The border is already there:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Sea_border

And I (like others obviously) think its wrong, there is no 'border' like this between Switzerland and the EU so why are they (the EU) insisting on this one? Because they are looking to 'punish' perhaps? Seems to me there are plenty of credible alternatives that the EU refuse to look into. Fact is the EU are just looking to create as much mischief as possible and they're using Ireland to do it, like I said if I had my way I'd tell the EU to get lost, if the EU want a border they can put it elsewhere for all I care. Switzerland and the EU seem to manage their borders perfectly fine and if there are not issues there I would like to know why the EU insist on issues between the UK and Ireland?

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Old 05-16-2022, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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The Foreign Secretary, Liz Truss, is expected to make a statement tomorrow regarding the Protocol. with the UK government is poised to introduce legislation that would allow ministers in London to override parts of the Brexit deal on Northern Ireland.

If the EU goes ahead with tariffs or sanctions against the UK, then the UK must look at it's relationship with Europe including areas such as defence and security, as you can not be expected to have the same relations in such circumstances, and this must now be part of any response by the UK.

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Old 05-16-2022, 10:54 AM
 
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The border is already there:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Sea_border

And I (like others obviously) think its wrong, there is no 'border' like this between Switzerland and the EU so why are they (the EU) insisting on this one? Because they are looking to 'punish' perhaps? Seems to me there are plenty of credible alternatives that the EU refuse to look into. Fact is the EU are just looking to create as much mischief as possible and they're using Ireland to do it, like I said if I had my way I'd tell the EU to get lost, if the EU want a border they can put it elsewhere for all I care. Switzerland and the EU seem to manage their borders perfectly fine and if there are not issues there I would like to know why the EU insist on issues between the UK and Ireland?
A little basic research would help you a lot. Try it sometime.
Switz has multiple agreements with the EU, and is a member of the Schengen area agreement.
Even when a member of the EU, the UK would not join Schengen. Now, not a chance.
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Old 05-16-2022, 03:09 PM
 
Location: SE UK
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A little basic research would help you a lot. Try it sometime.
Switz has multiple agreements with the EU, and is a member of the Schengen area agreement.
Even when a member of the EU, the UK would not join Schengen. Now, not a chance.
Then they need to work something else out no? Unless of course you can come up with a valid reason why they can't? How about putting the border within Ireland instead? What's good for the goose eh?
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Old 05-16-2022, 03:10 PM
 
Location: SE UK
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The Foreign Secretary, Liz Truss, is expected to make a statement tomorrow regarding the Protocol. with the UK government is poised to introduce legislation that would allow ministers in London to override parts of the Brexit deal on Northern Ireland.

If the EU goes ahead with tariffs or sanctions against the UK, then the UK must look at it's relationship with Europe including areas such as defence and security, as you can not be expected to have the same relations in such circumstances, and this must now be part of any response by the UK.
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