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Perfectly good plan put forward in relation to red and green lanes, and other proposal, which work perfectly well as British ports and airports.
If the EU don't like it then tear up the Lancaster House treaties, the UK expeditionary force treaty and take a back seat in NATO just as the French for decades, which also meant US bases France had to permanently close.
Withdrawing military and security support in relation to Europe would seem to be the logical next step, as you don't defend those who put sanctions and tariffs against your nation.
"The government is clear that proceeding with our legislation is consistent with our obligations under international law,"
The New Bill will -
* Propose "green" and "red" lanes for goods travelling between Great Britain and Northern Ireland
* Ensure goods moving and staying in the UK are "freed of unnecessary bureaucracy" if they are not destined for the EU
* Remove regulatory barriers to goods made to UK standards being sold in Northern Ireland
* Allow businesses to choose between meeting UK or EU standards in a new dual regulatory regime
* Give the UK government power to decide on tax and spend policies across the whole of the UK
* Address issues related to governance, "bringing the protocol in line with international norms"
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Biden and Pelosi, and the team they set to the UK were politely told to get stuffed.
and quite rightly too, US politicians should stop interfering in British affairs.
it was Obama who tried to affect the Brexit vote and they havent stopped since.
I dont know about Biden having Irish ancestors, I was told the family member who emigrated to America and started his branch of the family came from Southern England not Ireland.
and quite rightly too, US politicians should stop interfering in British affairs.
it was Obama who tried to affect the Brexit vote and they havent stopped since.
I dont know about Biden having Irish ancestors, I was told the family member who emigrated to America and started his branch of the family came from Southern England not Ireland.
I suppose it's possible you know more about Biden's family than he does.
I suppose it's possible you know more about Biden's family than he does.
it was reported somewhere some time ago, I forget just where.
Biden dosent seem to know what day it is, where he is or in some cases who his wife is, sometimes he calls Harris the president, sad really.
And I (like others obviously) think its wrong, there is no 'border' like this between Switzerland and the EU so why are they (the EU) insisting on this one? Because they are looking to 'punish' perhaps?
That is because the Swiss and the EU signed bilateral treaties to keep Switzerland in the free-trade zone. Those treaties mean that a lot of EU law is applicable in Switzerland. That was not acceptable to the UK.
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Seems to me there are plenty of credible alternatives that the EU refuse to look into.
That the UK refuses to look into. There are plenty of models for keeping borders open. The UK considers all of them unacceptable.
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I had my way I'd tell the EU to get lost, if the EU want a border they can put it elsewhere for all I care.
So - here's the UK's problem. They want 3 things:
Complete regulatory autonomy and border control. They are their own country now.
No internal border in the UK.
No border between NI ad Ireland, because that could lead to Troubles.
They're not compatible. Can't be done.
So the UK agreed to make the border in the Irish Sea - temporarily. That of course made Northern Ireland very unhappy. (Which is a problem, because the Tories need the support of DUP. Long story.) With that not working out, the UK is now doing the rather brazen thing - saying, in effect, "We're going to ditch the deal we agreed to." As has been the case all along, the Brexiteers want to have their cake and eat it, too.
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Switzerland and the EU seem to manage their borders perfectly fine and if there are not issues there I would like to know why the EU insist on issues between the UK and Ireland?
Because Switzerland has agreed to give up full regulatory autonomy and has joined in the EU's rules for free movement. The UK will not agree to this. Which is of course their right, but then they need to decide where the border is. Only they refuse to.
I very much urge anyone interested to watch this 6-minute video, it clarifies the different levels and why.
Fun bit: Northern Ireland just elected Sinn Fein to form a government. That is, the political party with IRA roots, very much in favor of North Ireland joining the rest of Ireland. An interesting development...
and quite rightly too, US politicians should stop interfering in British affairs.
it was Obama who tried to affect the Brexit vote and they havent stopped since.
I dont know about Biden having Irish ancestors, I was told the family member who emigrated to America and started his branch of the family came from Southern England not Ireland.
My point is, based on that involvement, perhaps Biden felt the US had a vested interest. Of course, Britain has every right to a polite “No, not this time.” I just think a “get stuffed” outraged attitude indicates ingratitude for America’s original involvement.
My point is, based on that involvement, perhaps Biden felt the US had a vested interest. Of course, Britain has every right to a polite “No, not this time.” I just think a “get stuffed” outraged attitude indicates ingratitude for America’s original involvement.
The Good Friday Agreement involved the British Government and NI Political Parties.
It was Britain who had to agree to let terrorists out of prisons and all kinds of other negotiated settlement, the US didn't have to make any concessions and the US is not responsible for US domestic policy.
As for ingratitude, what about the British soldiers who laid down their lives in the pointless US war on terror, all 636 of them.
The US can keep out of our domestic politics, and Lord Frost and others have made this abundantly clear.
That is because the Swiss and the EU signed bilateral treaties to keep Switzerland in the free-trade zone. Those treaties mean that a lot of EU law is applicable in Switzerland. That was not acceptable to the UK.
That the UK refuses to look into. There are plenty of models for keeping borders open. The UK considers all of them unacceptable.
So - here's the UK's problem. They want 3 things:
Complete regulatory autonomy and border control. They are their own country now.
No internal border in the UK.
No border between NI ad Ireland, because that could lead to Troubles.
They're not compatible. Can't be done.
So the UK agreed to make the border in the Irish Sea - temporarily. That of course made Northern Ireland very unhappy. (Which is a problem, because the Tories need the support of DUP. Long story.) With that not working out, the UK is now doing the rather brazen thing - saying, in effect, "We're going to ditch the deal we agreed to." As has been the case all along, the Brexiteers want to have their cake and eat it, too.
Because Switzerland has agreed to give up full regulatory autonomy and has joined in the EU's rules for free movement. The UK will not agree to this. Which is of course their right, but then they need to decide where the border is. Only they refuse to.
The UK can legally change the protocol because it breaks the GFA assurances made to Unionists and is therefore unlawful, whilst it's also a breach of the Act of Union itself.
The UK is willing to put measures in place such as green and red lanes, which are similar to those at other British ports and airports, and Britain is willing to carry out checks and use new technology.
As for Switzerland it doesn't have two divided parts of the same nation divided that are being prevented from trading freely.
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Pelosi isn’t just wrong on a technicality, however. In a very American way, she is merely a very high-profile example of a common school of thought which seems incapable of accepting that the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement contains protections for unionists.
At the very core of the deal underpinning the treaty is this simple premise: that Northern Ireland’s constitutional status as part of the United Kingdom is protected, and will not change unless and until a majority of voters in the Province decide it should.
The blunt fact is that the Protocol is a direct and obvious breach of this principle. Enacting it involved repealing the provisions of the Act of Union guaranteeing unfettered trade within the UK. It also means that, despite Northern Irish voters voting on the same question as the rest of us – ‘Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?’ – they actually don’t get to leave.
Yet the very same people who insist that the specific and limited provisions of Strand Two somehow create a right to a wholly invisible land border simultaneously pretend that this central pillar of the Belfast Agreement must refer only to the narrow question of which country Ulster is technically part of.
It is this double standard that is lethally dangerous to the long-term future of the Belfast Agreement. Unionists signed up to a specific deal with specific provisions, not a ‘living document’ which has become a vehicle for granting nationalist wishes. It is perhaps too much to hope that the senior leadership of a country which barely exerted itself against American citizens who helped bankroll the IRA’s campaign of terror should familiarise themselves with these facts.
But if they’re not going to, it’s time the Government stopped indulging the great American fiction about being ‘guarantors’ of the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement, and sent their special representative packing.
Fun bit: Northern Ireland just elected Sinn Fein to form a government. That is, the political party with IRA roots, very much in favor of North Ireland joining the rest of Ireland. An interesting development...
The nationalist Sinn Féin 27 seats and nationalist SDLP 8 seats making a total of 35 seats.
The Unionist DUP 25 seats and UUP 9 seats making 34, whilst both independent seats are unionists, as was one TVP seat.
This means the Unionist have 37 seats, as opposed to the Nationalists 35, whilst the the traditional moderate unionist APNI has a further 17 seats.
This means of the 90 seats, the nationalist have around a third, whilst two thirds belong to Unionist parties or Unionist Independent representatives.
According to a recent taken poll just last month, only one third of NI's population would back a United Ireland.
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