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Old 01-19-2023, 03:34 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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There are a lot of myths regarding WW2, including the fact that Germany had some vast mechanized Army, when in reality the German Army was largely horse drawn, and the French Army was actually had better equipment and was seen as a much better Army on paper.

The Germany Army was also often ill equipped having very little in the way of cold weather clothing or equipment in relation to the Soviet Invasion and Eastern Front.

The idea that Britain stood alone against Germany is also a myth, Britain had an Empire that covered a quarter of the world to support it.

As for the s called Battle of Britain, it was a close affair, in which Britain had many advantages including a chain of radar stations, which the Germans knew little about, and by the time German Aircraft reached Britain they often had limited fuel reserves and could only fight for so long.

The idea of a German invasion of Britain was also fairly much a myth, as the German Navy was never any match for the mighty Royal Navy, and Britain also achieved air superiority, so an invasion was an impossibility. The main problem the Germans presented at sea where their U-Boat Submarines,, however the British overcame this through a system of escorts, new weapon systems such ad the hedgehog and by breaking the U-Boat Submarine Enigma code, which let us know their exact positions.

HMS Bulldog (a British Destroyer) captured the first naval Enigma machine from U-110 in the North Atlantic in May 1941, although like many things Hollywood tried to re-write even this piece of history.

As for notable myths regarding WW2, many of them due to Hollywood and the fact that the narrative needed to be changed during the Cold War in relation to West Germany, the video below points out some of the more glaring myths and inaccuracies.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qc7Rhwtlbg

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Old 01-19-2023, 08:15 AM
 
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Some of today's Brexit heads...........

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Brexit Fudge| The UK is exploring a possible compromise over the role of the European Court of Justice in Northern Ireland, one of the most difficult sticking points in ongoing negotiations about post-Brexit trading arrangements. British proposals include supplementing the ECJ with an independent arbitration panel, we’ve been told.
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Brexit is to blame for the collapse of electric car battery start-up Britishvolt, according to former Tory leader William Hague.
The UK is suffering from the “catastrophic” impact of Brexit and should consider a closer ties the EU, said Asda’s boss.
Senior Tories joined opposition MPs to back an amendment which attempted to give them oversight over the planned “bonfire” of EU laws.
The government has not explored the “full potential” of what the UK can do outside the single market, Labour’s Peter Kyle said.
Billions of pounds in tax have been lost because thousands of HMRC tax officials were shifted to work on Brexit and Covid schemes.
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Old 01-19-2023, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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A good article regarding the 1.5 milion vehicles which were mainly built in British factories during WW2, as well as other weapons such as aircraft that were produced on mass during WW2, whilst Britain, a maritime power possessed an impressive ship building capacity.

From wheels to weapons -Goodwood

Whilst the Jeep, which was limited in numbers was a useful light vehicle, Britain already had light utlity vehicles and reconnaissance vehicles, as well as trucks and transport vehicles, as Britain was a highly industrial nation.

As for the Sherman,s they were not universally popular with US soldiers, never mind being popular among the British, and many were further gifted to other nations in the Commonwealth or given to the Soviets. It also should be noted that there were numerous tanks used by the Allies in WW2 and some were more popular than others.

So yet another myth dispelled.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns6l7sCoWX4

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Old 01-19-2023, 09:32 AM
 
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As for the Sherman,s they were not even popular with US soldiers, never mind beng popular among the in British...
Every soldier in the world will tell you that he's been given crap equipment, poor food, and that he's being led by complete idiots. I have no doubt this was the case when Joshua ordered his people to march around Jericho blowing trumpets.

But the supposed inferiority of the Sherman is a popular myth, the numbers just don't support it. Crew survivability in Shermans was better than in most other WWII tanks. The standard gun was very good at its primary purpose: Supporting infantry. (The ingenious Brits mounted a 17-pounder, and although that made for a very cramped turret, that combo was absolutely deadly for German armor. But only armor, because the 17-pounder lacked HE shells.) It was better protected than a Pz IV - the most-produced German tank. And of course, tank-on-tank fighting wasn't the intended tactic on either side. Towed AT guns killed more tanks. As did mines.

The Sherman was rugged and reliable and most of all present in the sort of numbers that win campaigns and, ultimately, wars.
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Old 01-19-2023, 10:22 AM
 
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There are a lot of myths regarding WW2, including the fact that Germany had some vast mechanized Army, when in reality the German Army was largely horse drawn, and the French Army was actually had better equipment and was seen as a much better Army on paper.

The Germany Army was also often ill equipped having very little in the way of cold weather clothing or equipment in relation to the Soviet Invasion and Eastern Front.

The idea that Britain stood alone against Germany is also a myth, Britain had an Empire that covered a quarter of the world to support it.

As for the s called Battle of Britain, it was a close affair, in which Britain had many advantages including a chain of radar stations, which the Germans knew little about, and by the time German Aircraft reached Britain they often had limited fuel reserves and could only fight for so long.

The idea of a German invasion of Britain was also fairly much a myth, as the German Navy was never any match for the mighty Royal Navy, and Britain also achieved air superiority, so an invasion was an impossibility. The main problem the Germans presented at sea where their U-Boat Submarines,, however the British overcame this through a system of escorts, new weapon systems such ad the hedgehog and by breaking the U-Boat Submarine Enigma code, which let us know their exact positions.

HMS Bulldog (a British Destroyer) captured the first naval Enigma machine from U-110 in the North Atlantic in May 1941, although like many things Hollywood tried to re-write even this piece of history.

As for notable myths regarding WW2, many of them due to Hollywood and the fact that the narrative needed to be changed during the Cold War in relation to West Germany, the video below points out some of the more glaring myths and inaccuracies.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qc7Rhwtlbg
The British Empire in the far east was falling to the Japanese Empire in December 1941. Two of Britain's prize battleships, Prince of Wales and Repulse were lost to Japanese air strikes. Australia and India were facing a very real possibility that the Japanese might attempt an invasion. Australian and New Zealand troops were fighting with the British in North Africa but Torbruk surrendered and thousands of Australian troops went into captivity.

Canada was the only Commonwealth country that was really capable of support in 1941. The US as a neutral country defied international law by arranging for fighter aircraft to be shipped to Canada and from Canada onto the United Kingdom.

If the German Army was still lacking an abundance of equipment at the start of the war, the equipment that it did have was still very good. At that time also it was led by military leaders that were not intending to fight WW one all over again. Blitzkrieg tactics took the French and British by complete surprise while the French had wasted years constructing the Maginot Line that became the biggest white elephant of all time.

No one can deny that Churchill's decision to fight on saved western civilisation and the capture of the enigma machine plus the hard work of a team of very dedicated, smart, intelligent people at Bletchley Park was a major contributing factor to eventual victory but the entry of the US into the war changed the course of the war up to that point and because of that, the events that followed shaped the future for what western Europe was to become .

The Soviet Union, victorious in eastern Europe in 1945 enslaved millions of people for 50 more years. Uprisings in Eastern Germany, Hungary and Czecheslovakia were ruthlessly put down, the Berlin wall a symbol of a regime that was totally rotten and corrupt.
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Old 01-19-2023, 10:32 AM
 
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Yep Not only that unlike NW Germans (used to be Danes) we are free to put our country on any economic path we want
Denmark is a sovereign country and it still has it's monarchy. Danes are also known to be the happiest people in the world. Denmark must be doing things right FFS
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Old 01-19-2023, 11:01 AM
 
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Yep Not only that unlike NW Germans (used to be Danes) we are free to put our country on any economic path we want
Cute.
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Old 01-19-2023, 11:03 AM
 
Location: SW France
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It is laughable how some Brexiteers think we in the EU are shackled and living in some dystopian state.

Luckily they are becoming a smaller and smaller minority.
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Old 01-19-2023, 11:42 AM
 
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In between all the latest WWII opinions, a little Brexit news.....

A sure sign that our Joey is working behind the scenes for a big EU-UK announcement on the 25th anniversary of the GFA.

Bloomberg....
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The UK won’t call an election in Northern Ireland immediately after a deadline for the devolved government to be formed expires tonight.
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Old 01-19-2023, 12:02 PM
 
Location: SW France
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As has been pointed out earlier, I think, the UK was in a great position in the past as a gateway for countries like the US and Japan to the massive EU market.
Now it is no longer a part then the UK is being by-passed.
It may be 'free' to make its own trade deals, by such deals are a two way process, and despite false suggestions otherwise, those deals have not gone well.
I say all this with sadness.
The Tories, who are nothing like the party I used to vote for, have trashed the UK.
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