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Old 05-08-2023, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Yeah right...............because they give two different climates the same classification don't they! After all isn't that the purpose of classifications!
Climate classifications have a myriad of purposes and rationale - some focus on vegetation, others focus on the movement of air masses, or the effect of geography.

Koppen Cfb climates originally sought to be aligned with vegetation, and when advances in knowledge later found too much inconsistency ( imagining trying to compare the vegetation in the north of Scotland to that of NZ, for example) it was later given generous numerical boundaries ( warmer than -3C mean in winter, colder than 22C mean in summer) that broadly align air masses to geography.

They've never been about weather - true weather folk wouldn't think that, as weather is subjective... you yourself weren't sure whether you agreed that Cornwall had much the same weather as Glasgow, or not.

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Old 05-09-2023, 01:50 PM
 
Location: SE UK
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Climate classifications have a myriad of purposes and rationale - some focus on vegetation, others focus on the movement of air masses, or the effect of geography.

Koppen Cfb climates originally sought to be aligned with vegetation, and when advances in knowledge later found too much inconsistency ( imagining trying to compare the vegetation in the north of Scotland to that of NZ, for example) it was later given generous numerical boundaries ( warmer than -3C mean in winter, colder than 22C mean in summer) that broadly align air masses to geography.

They've never been about weather - true weather folk wouldn't think that, as weather is subjective... you yourself weren't sure whether you agreed that Cornwall had much the same weather as Glasgow, or not.
Only climates that are classified as 'the same' are given the same climate classification!! Climates that are different tend to have 'different' climate classifications! Its not rocket science!
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Old 05-09-2023, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Only climates that are classified as 'the same' are given the same climate classification!! Climates that are different tend to have 'different' climate classifications! Its not rocket science!
This is incorrect - a number of classifications have most of NZ in a different category to the UK, with NZ typically having two classifications for low elevation climates in those systems.

How could a climate with winters 13C colder and an annual mean 7C colder than another climate in the same classification, be regarded as having the same weather? - answer is they aren't regarded as having the same weather.
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Old 05-09-2023, 03:33 PM
 
Location: SE UK
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Different climates do not get the same classification, [Mod cut: rude]
Do you know what classifying means?

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Old 05-09-2023, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Different climates do not get the same classification, [Mod cut: rude]
Do you know what classifying means?


Classification of climates uses a number of different rationale, and none of them can describe day to day weather in any meaningful way.... one day, when you become a real weather nerd, you'll understand this.

My climate can be oceanic, subtropical, warm temperate - it just depends on what equally valid system I use.

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Old 05-10-2023, 03:42 AM
 
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Only climates that are classified as 'the same' are given the same climate classification!! Climates that are different tend to have 'different' climate classifications! Its not rocket science!
The term “ climate “ covers a broad spectrum of weather, Ireland and New Zealand are classed as having the same climate yet the weather North of Auckland ( for example) is chalk and cheese relative to all of Ireland
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Old 05-10-2023, 04:57 AM
 
Location: Perth, Australia
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Nz has the same climate classification as Cornwall, Glasgow and Paris, rhey ALL have the same climate classification they are ALL Oceanic cfb.
To be fair mate you already admitted not too long ago just because a climate shares the same climate classification doesn't mean it's similar. I can assure you there is nothing similar about Glasgow being compared to Melbourne yet they are the same classification. The classification they are apart of Is quite broad and they are both almost on opposite ends of this classification

Much of Southern Australia shares the same classification as the UK/Ireland. They are in no way similar I assure you. You know this mate, you already stated you understood this.

Does New York and Brisbane have a similar climate as they both share the same classification of being humid subtropical?

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Old 05-11-2023, 05:25 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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Classification of climates uses a number of different rationale, and none of them can describe day to day weather in any meaningful way.... one day, when you become a real weather nerd, you'll understand this.

My climate can be oceanic, subtropical, warm temperate - it just depends on what equally valid system I use.
Climates that are different are NOT given THE SAME climate classification!! By the very nature of the meaning of the word 'classification' shows it's utter nonsense to suggest otherwise, end of!
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Old 05-11-2023, 05:27 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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To be fair mate you already admitted not too long ago just because a climate shares the same climate classification doesn't mean it's similar. I can assure you there is nothing similar about Glasgow being compared to Melbourne yet they are the same classification. The classification they are apart of Is quite broad and they are both almost on opposite ends of this classification

Much of Southern Australia shares the same classification as the UK/Ireland. They are in no way similar I assure you. You know this mate, you already stated you understood this.

Does New York and Brisbane have a similar climate as they both share the same classification of being humid subtropical?
Climates that are different are NOT given THE SAME climate classification!! By the very nature of the meaning of the word 'classification' shows it's utter nonsense to suggest otherwise, end of!
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Old 05-11-2023, 05:28 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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The term “ climate “ covers a broad spectrum of weather, Ireland and New Zealand are classed as having the same climate yet the weather North of Auckland ( for example) is chalk and cheese relative to all of Ireland
Climates that are different are NOT given THE SAME climate classification!! By the very nature of the meaning of the word 'classification' shows it's utter nonsense to suggest otherwise, end of!
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