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Good - their should be a full open public inquiry.
Although let's be realistic, this is not something that is unique to the UK, and there have been plenty of nurses and even doctors in other countries who have murdered or maimed unsuspecting patients.
Too bad Albert Pierpoint and hanging are gone. He could have dropped her in 50 seconds flat
No it's not too bad. Albert Pierpoint was quite happy to hang John Christie having already hanged the innocent Timothy Evans. To this day our country bears - and should bear - the guilt of that unthinkable miscarriage of justice.
Pierpoint himself maintained at the end of his career that hanging achieved nothing.
It should be the aim of any civilised society to distance itself from violent killers not to copy them.
Unless of course you want killers to define your actions.
There are also a number of cases since hanging was abolished where people have been found guilty of murder but subsequently proven innocent. Prior to abolition they would have been added to the list along with Timothy Evans.
Those who call for the Death Penalty are seeking revenge but don't think it through.
As for Lucy Letby - well she can rot in jail as far as I'm concerned, but the question remains - why did she do it?
No it's not too bad. Albert Pierpoint was quite happy to hang John Christie having already hanged the innocent Timothy Evans. To this day our country bears - and should bear - the guilt of that unthinkable miscarriage of justice.
Pierpoint himself maintained at the end of his career that hanging achieved nothing.
It should be the aim of any civilised society to distance itself from violent killers not to copy them.
Unless of course you want killers to define your actions.
There are also a number of cases since hanging was abolished where people have been found guilty of murder but subsequently proven innocent. Prior to abolition they would have been added to the list along with Timothy Evans.
Those who call for the Death Penalty are seeking revenge but don't think it through.
As for Lucy Letby - well she can rot in jail as far as I'm concerned, but the question remains - why did she do it?
TBF - the British capital punishment system was very different to the US.
There was no death row in Britain, indeed you had the three Sunday's rule, which meant you had three Sundays to submit new evidence that proved your innocence.
If no convincing evidence was provided after the three Sundays, you immediately went to the gallows.
The hangmen just carried out the role given to them and were not involved in the decisions of the Courts or Authorities, and Pierrepoint was not responsible for Timothy Evans fate (I take it you mixed up the two cases by mistake).
Pierrepoint even later lamented that Evans who was innocent, was no match for the clever prosecution Barrister who ran rings around him and sealed his fate, with the Jury finding him guilty of murder and the Judge left with no alternative but the death penalty, with his innocents not established until the truth regarding Christie was uncovered.
As for Christie, he was the evil guilty landlord who actually committed the murders, and he deserved his untimely end, at the end of the hangman's noose unlike poor Timothy Evans.
Christie had a veneer of respectability unlike Evans, and had worked as a police officer during WW2, and his words were far more believable to those of Evans.
This was how things were back then, and it should be noted that Court cases often lacked modern evidence in relation to forensics or CCTV etc.
As for Albert Pierrepoint he made sure that the everything was carried out properly, and that the individual was properly weighed and measured in order to make the inevitable as quick and painless as possible.
Whilst Pierrepoint may have hung innocent individuals, he also hung a lot of genuinely evil individuals including those found guilty of war crimes at the Nuremberg trials.
Last edited by Brave New World; 08-24-2023 at 10:42 AM..
No it's not too bad. Albert Pierpoint was quite happy to hang John Christie having already hanged the innocent Timothy Evans. To this day our country bears - and should bear - the guilt of that unthinkable miscarriage of justice.
Pierpoint himself maintained at the end of his career that hanging achieved nothing.
It should be the aim of any civilised society to distance itself from violent killers not to copy them.
Unless of course you want killers to define your actions.
There are also a number of cases since hanging was abolished where people have been found guilty of murder but subsequently proven innocent. Prior to abolition they would have been added to the list along with Timothy Evans.
Those who call for the Death Penalty are seeking revenge but don't think it through.
As for Lucy Letby - well she can rot in jail as far as I'm concerned, but the question remains - why did she do it?
The British judicial system on capital punishment was flawed in that the hangings were done far too soon after the verdicts were passed. Hence Timothy Evans. One appeal to the Home Secretary only. The America system on the other hand allows the condemned to appeal their verdicts all the way up the system and over years if necessary. and often new evidence has come forward later on to prove that person's innocence
If life sentences were truly life sentences without any chance of parole or freedom then I would agree that the death penalty is obsolete. Fact is that far too many get out after fifteen years or so and go on to live life that they denied their victims.
I dont know if you ever heard of Charles Manson and his murderous clique who ran rampant in 1960s Los Angeles? Recently they freed one of his clique, Leslie Van Huten because they believed that she was no longer a threat to society, her advanced age and the usual old clap trap put forward by these old killers that they had "found God/Jesus" while serving their sentences.
So until life sentences are truly life sentences then I'll go on supporting the death penalty. I would hope that Letby never sees anything outside her prison walls again
Last edited by James Austen; 08-24-2023 at 12:36 PM..
TBF - the British capital punishment system was very different to the US.
There was no death row in Britain, indeed you had the three Sunday's rule, which meant you had three Sundays to submit new evidence that proved your innocence.
If no convincing evidence was provided after the three Sundays, you immediately went to the gallows.
The hangmen just carried out the role given to them and were not involved in the decisions of the Courts or Authorities, and Pierrepoint was not responsible for Timothy Evans fate (I take it you mixed up the two cases by mistake).
Pierrepoint even later lamented that Evans who was innocent, was no match for the clever prosecution Barrister who ran rings around him and sealed his fate, with the Jury finding him guilty of murder and the Judge left with no alternative but the death penalty, with his innocents not established until the truth regarding Christie was uncovered.
As for Christie, he was the evil guilty landlord who actually committed the murders, and he deserved his untimely end, at the end of the hangman's noose unlike poor Timothy Evans.
Christie had a veneer of respectability unlike Evans, and had worked as a police officer during WW2, and his words were far more believable to those of Evans.
This was how things were back then, and it should be noted that Court cases often lacked modern evidence in relation to forensics or CCTV etc.
As for Albert Pierrepoint he made sure that the everything was carried out properly, and that the individual was properly weighed and measured in order to make the inevitable as quick and painless as possible.
Whilst Pierrepoint may have hung innocent individuals, he also hung a lot of genuinely evil individuals including those found guilty of war crimes at the Nuremberg trials.
Pierpoint certainly knew his stuff. If the film "The Last hangman" is accurate he did around thirteen a day at Nuremberg
Pierpoint certainly knew his stuff. If the film "The Last hangman" is accurate he did around thirteen a day at Nuremberg
Whilst it's a job few would relish doing, at least Albert Pierrepoint made sure that everything was conducted as well as possible, and he also showed a lot of humanity where possible.
In terms of the death penalty, it's not going to be brought back, and it serves no purpose any more given that individuals such as Letby are now held in secure prisons and hospitals.
As for Letby's psychiatric health, that will be subject to on-going assessment.
It also should be noted that there are still occasional miscarriages of justice, and in terms of the UK, the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRW) is now under some scrutiny following cases such as the recent Andrew Malkinson case, which is now the subject of an official Inquiry.
No it's not too bad. Albert Pierpoint was quite happy to hang John Christie having already hanged the innocent Timothy Evans. To this day our country bears - and should bear - the guilt of that unthinkable miscarriage of justice.
Pierpoint himself maintained at the end of his career that hanging achieved nothing.
It should be the aim of any civilised society to distance itself from violent killers not to copy them.
Unless of course you want killers to define your actions.
There are also a number of cases since hanging was abolished where people have been found guilty of murder but subsequently proven innocent. Prior to abolition they would have been added to the list along with Timothy Evans.
Those who call for the Death Penalty are seeking revenge but don't think it through.
As for Lucy Letby - well she can rot in jail as far as I'm concerned, but the question remains - why did she do it?
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