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Old 08-19-2023, 02:10 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Very Sad, as well as the 7 murdered, there are 6 other cases that could go to a retrial, whilst police are investigating other hospitals that Lucy Letby worked at, in relation to other baby deaths.

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Nurse Lucy Letby has been found guilty of murdering seven babies on a neonatal unit, making her the UK's most prolific child serial killer in modern times.

The 33-year-old has also been convicted of trying to kill six other infants at the Countess of Chester Hospital between June 2015 and June 2016.

Letby deliberately injected babies with air, force fed others milk and poisoned two of the infants with insulin.

She refused to appear in the dock for the latest verdicts.

The jury was unable to reach verdicts on six further attempted murder charges.

Nicholas Johnson KC, prosecuting, asked the court for 28 days to consider whether a retrial would be sought for these remaining six counts.

Nurse Lucy Letby guilty of murdering seven babies on neonatal unit - BBC News (18th August 2023)

Police fear Lucy Letby may have killed more babies - The Telegraph (18th August 2023)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjQwqIxTOoA
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Old 08-19-2023, 11:20 AM
 
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Omg, I can't imagine being a parent of one of those babies. What a nightmare.
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Old 08-20-2023, 05:37 AM
 
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Omg, I can't imagine being a parent of one of those babies. What a nightmare.
The babies included the death of two out of three triplets.

Can you imagine growing up as the remaining triplet, knowing your two siblings were murdered as babies.
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Old 08-20-2023, 07:09 AM
 
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The babies included the death of two out of three triplets.

Can you imagine growing up as the remaining triplet, knowing your two siblings were murdered as babies.
awful... and now this cretin doesnt have to appear in court to be sentenced.. the final insult to these parents..
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Old 08-20-2023, 07:59 AM
 
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awful... and now this cretin doesnt have to appear in court to be sentenced.. the final insult to these parents..


There is no law stating that you have to appear before the courts or for sentencing and trials can be carried out in her persons absence if they refuse to appear or cause serious problems. Although unlike some countries such as the US, the UK has the Court Dock, which is a special secure area usually at a height or at the back of a court room where the accused sit, well away from everyone and sometimes behind a secure protective screen surrounded by Court Officers, Prison Officers and Police Officers.

I hope Letby does appear in relation to actual sentencing, as even those who actually have caused problems in the courts are usually there in relation to sentencing and that includes Islamic terrorists such as the murderers of Lee Rigby, so I don't know why Letby should not be there.
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Old 08-20-2023, 10:12 AM
 
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What horrors!
She could have Munchausen syndrome craving for attention,
such as the 26-year-old mother in the news below.

https://www.news24.com/life/archive/...ntion-20150318
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Old 08-20-2023, 12:38 PM
 
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There is no law stating that you have to appear before the courts or for sentencing and trials can be carried out in her persons absence if they refuse to appear or cause serious problems. Although unlike some countries such as the US, the UK has the Court Dock, which is a special secure area usually at a height or at the back of a court room where the accused sit, well away from everyone and sometimes behind a secure protective screen surrounded by Court Officers, Prison Officers and Police Officers.

I hope Letby does appear in relation to actual sentencing, as even those who actually have caused problems in the courts are usually there in relation to sentencing and that includes Islamic terrorists such as the murderers of Lee Rigby, so I don't know why Letby should not be there.
Letby woman hasn't appeared in court for past few instances and has made it clear she does not intend to appear on Monday, 21 August when sentenced.

As British law currently stands those accused nor convicted of crimes are required to attend proceedings, this includes sentencing. There is a movement afoot to change laws however: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...end-sentencing
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Old 08-20-2023, 01:02 PM
 
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Letby woman hasn't appeared in court for past few instances and has made it clear she does not intend to appear on Monday, 21 August when sentenced.

As British law currently stands those accused nor convicted of crimes are required to attend proceedings, this includes sentencing. There is a movement afoot to change laws however: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...end-sentencing


The Letby case trial judge, Mr Justice Goss KC, told the court last week that he had no power to force Letby to attend. He said: “The sentencing hearing will take place whether she is present or not. The court has no power to force her to attend… therefore there is nothing I can do about it.”

The reason Letby doesn't want to appear is because her lawyers have already informed her of the likely sentence, which may well be a 'whole life tariff', meaning that she will not be to apply for parole and will therefore never be released.

What prison life will look like for Lucy Letby with no hope of parole - The Telegraph (19th August 2023)

As for the purposed new Government legislation -

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A law to force offenders to attend their sentencing is to be included in the King’s Speech and laid in Parliament by the end of this year, amid anger over Lucy Letby’s refusal to return to court on Monday.

Alex Chalk, the Justice Secretary, has said that he is “committed” to bringing forward legislation designed to prevent convicted criminals from refusing to appear in court when the details of their sentence are announced.

The Telegraph understands that Rishi Sunak is planning to include the measure in the King’s Speech on Nov 7 and to lay it in Parliament by Christmas. MPs have expressed fury after it emerged that Letby was refusing to return to her seat in the dock for the remainder of the proceedings, which will end on Monday with her sentencing.

Mr Sunak has championed the proposals to force criminals to attend their sentencing, having pledged during his leadership campaign last year that he would “do everything possible to make sure victims have the chance to look their perpetrator in the eye and witness justice being served”.

The Prime Minister has suggested that refusing to appear for sentencing is taking “the coward’s way out”.

Mr Sunak’s plan, which was initially worked on by Mr Chalk’s predecessor Dominic Raab, was for refusal to attend court for sentencing to become an aggravating factor, meaning that such a move could provide a legal basis for judges to increase a criminal’s sentence.

Another option being considered is to change the law to create a legal obligation on a defendant to appear for their sentencing.

A new legal duty would provide court and prison officials with the legal protection they needed if they had to use force in order to bring a convicted criminal to face justice in the dock.

Currently, judges can order criminals to appear and prison officers are able to use reasonable force to take them to the court. But a legal source said prison governors and guards are often “reluctant” to use force due to the risk of legal action if they are seen to have overstepped what is “reasonable”, when a defendant is simply insisting on staying put rather than being violent.

Part of ministers’ thinking behind introducing a new measure in law is that it would give additional legal protections to prison officers.

The trial judge, Mr Justice Goss KC, told the court last week that he had no power to force Letby to attend. He said: “The sentencing hearing will take place whether she is present or not. The court has no power to force her to attend… therefore there is nothing I can do about it.”

Courts around the country have reported that increasing numbers of offenders are refusing to attend their sentencing hearings, with a number of high-profile cases prompting anger among the victims of their crimes.

Law that forces killers to attend sentencing will be in King’s Speech - The Telegraph (19th August 2023)

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Old 08-20-2023, 01:53 PM
 
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The Letby case trial judge, Mr Justice Goss KC, told the court last week that he had no power to force Letby to attend. He said: “The sentencing hearing will take place whether she is present or not. The court has no power to force her to attend… therefore there is nothing I can do about it.”

The reason Letby doesn't want to appear is because her lawyers have already informed her of the likely sentence, which may well be a 'whole life tariff', meaning that she will not be to apply for parole and will therefore never be released.

What prison life will look like for Lucy Letby with no hope of parole - The Telegraph (19th August 2023)

As for the purposed new Government legislation -
Pity they did away with hanging. If anyone should swing it would be Lucy Letby.
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Old 08-20-2023, 02:03 PM
 
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Pity they did away with hanging. If anyone should swing it would be Lucy Letby.
I think the most likely outcome is that she ends up in a High Security Psychiatric Hospital such as Rampton, which is where Beverley Allitt, ended up.

Allitt was found guilty of murdering babies in her care back in the early 1990's but was diagnosed with Munchausen's syndrome.

I just find the whole thing to be extremely sad, and there needs to be a proper inquiry in relation to Hospital Consultant's concerns being disregarded in relation to Letby.
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