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The Irish, say they want nothing to do with the British, then complain that the British don't know anything about Irish history!........Honestly you couldn't make it up! Not only did the Irish priests commit pedophelia agianst children they forced unmarried Irish mothers to give up their children! FORCED them to.
Why don't you go and obsess over the French for a change?
Mate what are you talking about. When has Ireland as a nation said it wants nothing to do with Britain. Those two islands are interlinked. Irish people are aware of this relationship, how many of us have family members that are English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish. What Irish people won't tolerate is being not disrespected as a people and nation. Are English people any different to this? As for claiming British people don't know about Irish history. Tell me what were you taught about Irish history in School? That statement Is actually factual.
You talk about how the Church forced what it regarded as unfit mothers to give up their children. Your right it did do this. What is your point though? The UK did this aswell and shipped these children throughout the Colonies. Unfortunately all our nations did this with a twisted view that it was doing these children a favor. I don't see the point you are making however my point still stands Ireland really did face down the abuses and those responsible. It made it a national shame that we ought to ALL feel responsible for as so many knew about these abuses but did nothing.
Unfortunately I don't read about the same with the UK. Why was there never any uproar for the BBC covering up crimes commited by Jimmy Saville against hundreads of Children? I mean you have the BBC reporting about these crimes elsewhere yet never did it take responsibility for it's role in protecting one of the worst pedophiles in UK history yet people aren't bothered there. Why? That would never happen in Ireland. I mean even you know about Ireland's history because of our backlash but did you even know about your own country where it's barely talked about? Where is the backlash?
Let's be Honest such people care more about reasons to bash the Church than they do about the kids as if they truly cared about the kids they would be in uproar at their own public institions where it was more common as this article gives an example of. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/has-med...use-in-school/
As for the UK, it spends more than any other European nation on defence, is a nuclear power with the most powerful Navy in Europe and already collaborates a good deal with the French and other European powers in terms of defence and security, and may well decide to introduce some selective service based on a similar model to the Scandinavian countries and it's worth noting than General Sanders own mother was Norwegian.
I suspect General Sanders had a tough time back when he was Colonel, with all those KFC jokes.
As for the US our relationship is changing as is US politics and even the once bastion of Centre Right Pro Trans - Atlanticism the Daily Telegraph has changed it's tune regarding the US, whilst more left wing broadsheets such as the Guardian and Independent were always sceptical of the US and our relationship with them, so not much change there.
Personally I think Madeline Grant's recent articles in 'The Telegraph' are pretty much spot on in terms of the US and UK relations, and I think when 'The Telegraph' starts turning on the US as well as other former Pro American and Atlanticist publication then you can clearly see the real rift and significant problems that have emerged in relation to recent US administrations and US politics.
In terms of Madeline Grant's articles I found her quotes from the recently deceased Henry Kissinger to be quite telling in terms of an insight in to US foreign policy and relationships, with Kissinger having once stated that "America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests" and that “To be America’s enemy may be dangerous, but to be its friend is fatal.”
Perhaps it's time we heeded Kissinger and in so doing looked after our own self interest instead of indulging in juvenile nonsense in respect of some laughable outdated concept of a 'special relationship'.
Not sure how an internet spat on a forum with hardly any genuine British forum members on it, really demonstrates anything.
I would however point out that Britain spends more on defence, has better logistics and military transport and is better ready for conflict than most of Europe.
As for Conscription Lord Hague has been in the media and has written an article in 'The Times' supporting such a move, along with increased defence spending.
As for Scandinavian national service, it's selective and is based on only a minority of recruits being selected based on phyiscal reports and medicals, interviews and academic reports, and it is seen as an honour to be one of those chosen, and is something that future employers look for in relation to future employees, with those selected generally serving between 12 to 16 months before serving further time in the reserves.
The Russians have enough nukes to wipe out most of Europe even if NATO manage to wipe out two or three Russian cities. In fact I believe that Russia's nuclear arsenal surpasses that of the US
Does Hague think that a war with Russia would be fought otherwise? Is he on cloud 9? Assured Mutual Destruction.... words to think about..
National Service in this day and age? Conscript armies of overweight unwilling young men with a strong sense of self entitlement? Load of bolax
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The Russians have enough nukes to wipe out most of Europe even if NATO manage to wipe out two or three Russian cities. In fact I believe that Russia's nuclear arsenal surpasses that of the US
Does Hague think that a war with Russia would be fought otherwise? Is he on cloud 9? Assured Mutual Destruction.... words to think about..
National Service in this day and age? Conscript armies of overweight unwilling young men with a strong sense of self entitlement? Load of bolax
The Russian nuclear arsenal is very comparable to the United States in size now. The main difference in that Russia’s nuclear forces have more tactical warheads that are smaller and not readily deployable with capable platforms. Much of those reliant on aircraft and artillery.
The reality though is that the NATO powers have a much more robust and survivable nuclear arsenal. Russia certainly would inflict major damage on Western Europe but the United States has a much more capable submarine force. In any event Russia would suffer dearly in any attempted strike on western powers. Not just 2-3 cities.
The Russian nuclear arsenal is very comparable to the United States in size now. The main difference in that Russia’s nuclear forces have more tactical warheads that are smaller and not readily deployable with capable platforms. Much of those reliant on aircraft and artillery.
The reality though is that the NATO powers have a much more robust and survivable nuclear arsenal. Russia certainly would inflict major damage on Western Europe but the United States has a much more capable submarine force. In any event Russia would suffer dearly in any attempted strike on western powers. Not just 2-3 cities.
If Donald Trump wins the next elections (it really looks like he will), NATO will be on its own. Many Trump supportes don't even like the fact the US is giving aid to the Ukraine, let alone helping Europe against Russia. Some trumpers even admire russia. So Europe will be on its own. It is unfortunate but that is the way things are going. With the election of Trump, and the US out of the way Putine will feel emboldened to nuke Europe. The US will also lose much of it's influence and power in the world. The rest of the world better get used to russia and china being in charge. The US will also have to get used to this and the fact they will no longer have any strong allies. If they don't help Europe against Russia, there is no need for any developed country to ever trust and work with the US Again.
If Donald Trump wins the next elections (it really looks like he will), NATO will be on its own. Many Trump supportes don't even like the fact the US is giving aid to the Ukraine, let alone helping Europe against Russia. Some trumpers even admire russia. So Europe will be on its own. It is unfortunate but that is the way things are going. With the election of Trump, and the US out of the way Putine will feel emboldened to nuke Europe. The US will also lose much of it's influence and power in the world. The rest of the world better get used to russia and china being in charge. The US will also have to get used to this and the fact they will no longer have any strong allies. If they don't help Europe against Russia, there is no need for any developed country to ever trust and work with the US Again.
There will be no war and no nukes hitting Europe. Russia has bitten off enough with Ukraine. The UK does not have to worry about a war and if it did ever did come it's way like the rest of Europe it will militarize itself rapidly to defend itself. How many British people today are now glad that it's days of putting thousands of boots on the ground in country's like Iraq and Afghanistan for American wars Is over?
All of this is just fear mongering, we are now starting to live in a multi-polar world. That is one of the reasons the EU formed and is it's greatest strength. It recognised the rise of new superpowers in which they need to essentially compete with only made possible by small European nations coming together. We need to stop seeing Russia, China, India etc as our enemies otherwise then we will end up in a new world War. We need to accept that we all have to work together. Yes the US was able to police and control much of the world for almost a century but those days are now over. For it's own sake it ought to recognise this and work with others
There will be no war and no nukes hitting Europe. Russia has bitten off enough with Ukraine.
There is already a war in Europe and the biggest arms build up since world war 2. Russia is still going at Ukraine and shows no signs of stopping, even with the biggest sanctions in history. NATO recently also felt the need to start doing the biggest military exercises since world war two. They are doing all this for reason.
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The UK does not have to worry about a war and if it did ever did come it's way like the rest of Europe it will militarize itself rapidly to defend itself.
The rest of Europe has already started doing that. Specially Poland and I don't blame them one bit.
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All of this is just fear mongering, we are now starting to live in a multi-polar world. That is one of the reasons the EU formed and is it's greatest strength. It recognised the rise of new superpowers in which they need to essentially compete with only made possible by small European nations coming together. We need to stop seeing Russia, China, India etc as our enemies otherwise then we will end up in a new world War. We need to accept that we all have to work together. Yes the US was able to police and control much of the world for almost a century but those days are now over. For it's own sake it ought to recognise this and work with others
It is not fear mongering, it is reality.....It's also not about viewing Russia and China as enemies. They are the ones that view the west as enemies. It is extremely naive to think otherwise. THe west was naive thinking that China opening up would make them more democratic and cooperative. Even a blind man can see that was not the case. Same thing with Russia. Say what you want about the USA but it is a democratic country. The same cannont be said about China and Russia. Would you rather do business with the USA, a country where the citizens have rights? Or a dictatorship where people have no right and acountry that commits genocide against its people like China? You tell me which super seems better for the world?
This reply from paddy goes back to what I was saying earlier. The west would not be ready for a war, many in the west think of themselves as the bad guys and the real bad guys (china and russia) as the poor innocent victims. As if the invasion of the Ukraine was not enough proof of Russias intentions.
There is already a war in Europe and the biggest arms build up since world war 2. Russia is still going at Ukraine and shows no signs of stopping, even with the biggest sanctions in history. NATO recently also felt the need to start doing the biggest military exercises since world war two. They are doing all this for reason.
The rest of Europe has already started doing that. Specially Poland and I don't blame them one bit.
It is not fear mongering, it is reality.....It's also not about viewing Russia and China as enemies. They are the ones that view the west as enemies. It is extremely naive to think otherwise. THe west was naive thinking that China opening up would make them more democratic and cooperative. Even a blind man can see that was not the case. Same thing with Russia. Say what you want about the USA but it is a democratic country. The same cannont be said about China and Russia. Would you rather do business with the USA, a country where the citizens have rights? Or a dictatorship where people have no right and acountry that commits genocide against its people like China? You tell me which super seems better for the world?
This reply from paddy goes back to what I was saying earlier. The west would not be ready for a war, many in the west think of themselves as the bad guys and the real bad guys (china and russia) as the poor innocent victims. As if the invasion of the Ukraine was not enough proof of Russias intentions.
Please provide proof of Chinese genocide against its people. I'm surprised at how many people throw that term around, but can't come up with any proof, besides something they read in in a opinion based newspaper. Otherwise put a asterisk by the assertation as Western propaganda designed to muddy a competitor's image.
The U.S. is a democracy. A democracy that has invaded countries under made up pretense, committed crimes against its native population, and continues to support and and implement destabilization efforts around the world. I would rather do business with a nation that just cares about doing business, not trying to inflict their will on others.
Unfortunately there are many like you that have your same train of thought, and many hold seats of power. Their paranoia, belief in Western hegemony at all cost, and false sense of morality cause them to become just as bad, if not worse then their so called enemies.
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