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Obviously not to be taken seriously by anyone with even half a brain. The man is mentally derailed plain and simple
Yeah but it looks like he will be the next president again. If Trump turns his back on NATO America will never be a trustworthy partner and allie again. It will lose its place in the world, more than it already has.
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Yeah but it looks like he will be the next president again. If Trump turns his back on NATO America will never be a trustworthy partner and allie again. It will lose its place in the world, more than it already has.
Trump has already made a mockery of the alliance and Article 5, and Biden isn't even fit to be in office.
In reality if you look at most of the British and European media there is already on-going debate and discussions regarding European defence, hence this thread with regard to the conscription, although in reality General Sanders was actually calling for increased defence spending, manpower and reserve capabilities including laying the foundations for a voluntary call up if war broke out rather than military conscription.
In reality the US has seen it's bases decline from 130 back in the 1980's and around 55,000 US military personnel to 100 by the 1990's to around 12 today, and of these 12 remaining bases only 3 are military bases, the rest are just intelligence, radar and small support facilities.
Even in terms of the three remaining US military bases, Fairford is only used on a need be bases and has a skeleton staff of a few hundred, whilst Mildenhall was actually due to close under a decision by the Obama administration, which would have left only one remaining fully operational US base in the UK at Lakenheath.
Likewise the US base at Molesworth was also pencilled in to close, as was the US support facility at Alconbury, a small US housing facility that was once a USAF base, but is now a housing estate, and to be honest there are not many American personnel left in the UK any more, and the same applies to most of Europe, so other than Article 5 promises there's not really any guarantees that the US would become involved in a war even if Article 5 were invoked.
In terms of Article 5, it's up to each nation how they respond and it would be up to the US to decide what response it makes, which could in reality be very little or nothing, whilst in terms of US bases it increasingly looks like only a question of time before the last of the dwindling number of American personnel leave Britain and the remaining US bases close.
It's therefore entirely sensible for the UK and other European nations to look at becoming more self reliant in terms of defence and security rather than relying on the US and it's political whims, as well as increasingly toxic politics.
Time to go home, although there's not many left to even go home any more.
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Yeah but it looks like he will be the next president again. If Trump turns his back on NATO America will never be a trustworthy partner and allie again. It will lose its place in the world, more than it already has.
Biden's approval ratings are low but the general opinion is that he will still beat Trump anyway.
Polls and approval ratings have often been proved to be a waste of time.
Harry Truman according to polls was sure to lose to Dewy. One newspaper even printed a headline announcing his defeat. But Truman won anyway.
When it comes down to it, it's two old men, one who appears to be losing it to old age but actually isn't and the other one whose statements and behaviour clearly indicate that he's got a screw loose
It's perfectly logical that Ukraine will be admitted to NATO in light of Russia's invasion. Once the Ukraine is part of NATO that slams the door on any further attempts by Putin to wage war unless he wishes to directly confront NATO in an actual full blown out war which I think he wouldn't want.
I didn't say Russia was a pariah. Putin is the pariah and a war criminal wanted by the ICC for among other crimes kidnapping Ukrainian children and transporting them to Russia.
If the war continues as a stalemate it's obvious that Zelensky, whether he likes it or not is going to have to negotiate. Putin I'm sure isn't very enthusiastic over the possibility of a long drawn out war that seems to be going nowhere and even if he continues to be popular with the people sooner or later as the casualties continue to mount, and the body bags come home they will get tired of it and there are already signs that women are demanding that their husbands, sons, brothers come home. Long drawn out wars with high casualty rates have a habit of destroying leaders. Lyndon Johnson was the perfect example and the same could happen to Putin.
The US is not in an economic crisis. It's economy at present is doing very well in fact. Skye News Australia is no messenger of the truth. I've seen some of it's samples of news coverage on the internet. it spouts more crap and inaccuracies than Fox USA even to which it is loosely affiliated and Rupert Turdock holds shares in Skye also which speaks for itself
The halt in aid from the US is a result of squabbling in Congress. The Republicans want money for Trump's wall and a halt to illegal crossings from Mexico. They've made that request as a condition on approving any further aid for Ukraine. An agreement was reached between the Republicans and Democrats on a solution to the border crisis but Trump ordered his minions in Congress to change direction and throw the deal out which they did. Trump's reason for doing so was that the border problem was the only piece of ammunition he had if and when he and Biden meet for debates later this year although despite Biden's low ratings in the polls most pundits predict that he'll beat Trump anyway.
I still don't see Putin agreeing to let any part of Ukraine become part of Nato. Russia has made that clear. For this to change Putin will have to compromise on the very thing that made him invade Ukraine in the first place. Such compromise is possible but unlikely especially at this time. Russia is clearly winning the war. The hold a large portion of Ukrainian territory and can't be moved so again I don't see such a compromise.
Also Ukraine isn't Afghanistan. The Russians left Afghanistan with significantly less casualties than this war. Russia has annexed a portion of Ukraine because they see it and the people in the Donbas and Dontesk region as their own. The war therefore will only end when Zelensky accepts this. Do you honestly see that possible? Again maybe in the future but certainly not anytime soon.
As for the US not in an economic crisis. The US is still gripped by an inflation and cost of living crisis. Inflation is still to high there as it is among other western nations. This is influencing how people perceive their money going to other nations rather than their own country.
Biden's approval ratings are low but the general opinion is that he will still beat Trump anyway.
Polls and approval ratings have often been proved to be a waste of time.
Harry Truman according to polls was sure to lose to Dewy. One newspaper even printed a headline announcing his defeat. But Truman won anyway.
When it comes down to it, it's two old men, one who appears to be losing it to old age but actually isn't and the other one whose statements and behaviour clearly indicate that he's got a screw loose
If Biden wins the next election I will be extremely surprised.
There's no chance that Ukraine get into NATO. It's a well understood red line and Russia has made it absolutely clear that they'll go to war over such a move. Certain members of NATO won't go for it because doing so is voting for direct military war with Russia.
How this all plays out is up in the air, but i think the main points will be:
-Russia to continue to pursue it stated objectives (de-militarisation and de-nazification of Ukraine).
-US (and vassals) continue to provide arms to Ukraine.
-Little by little, Ukrainian resistance folds until All-At-Once it collapses, this will probably occur in conjunction with some significant political move such as Zelensky getting over thrown.
-A rump Ukraine remains, similar to this map https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...20120322232843
What happens at this point will define the next decade or two.
-Does the US via Ukraine pursue an insurgency type conflict and commit terrorist attacks in Russia?
-If so, do those terrorist attacks result in a sort of 911 type event?
Russia can't really permit a rump Ukraine that continues to threaten the Russian diaspora or the Russian state. Events may transpire to compel Russia to go into western Ukraine and establish a puppet regime, however I believe they will want to avoid this as there is nothing much to gain there.
If that does occur, Europe can expect a few MILLION refugees/ecomonic/political migrants from Ukraine.
Some posters and certain western media organisations and politicians subscribe to the belief that the USSR and Russian Federation are the same things.
For example we hear people express that they believe Putin is trying to re-establish the USSR.
I think this is way off base.
They are different animals.
USSR was driven largely by the ideology of Bolshevism.
While the Russian Federation rejects Bolshevism and has no over-riding ideology. The war we see in Ukraine is much more about competing nationalist themes inside Ukraine and a resultant ethno-conflict, against a backdrop of a geo-political power play by the US.
I also believe there is a degree of resurgent Russian Imperialism here, evidenced by the narrative that Ukraine is a state largely invented by Lenin and Stalin.
The International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) was a multinational military mission in Afghanistan from 2001 to 2014. It was established by United Nations Security Council Resolution 1386 pursuant to the Bonn Agreement.
Security Council Resolution 1386 occurred after the US invasion of the country.
The invasion of that country took place via "Operation Enduring Freedom" by US & UK.
With the de-industrialization of Germany and it's economic self-ham regarding cutting off access to cheap fossil fuel from Russia, and pursing the green agenda. I don't see Germany becoming a military power anytime soon. Where Germany goes, the rest of Europe follows as they are the 'economic engine' of europe, so we have been led to believe.
If Biden wins the next election I will be extremely surprised.
so will Biden.
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