Glenn Youngkin wins GOP nomination for governor

[ersatz]

Originally Posted by LM117

Here's where their argument will almost certainly fall part in court.

Their claim:

https://virginia.gop/virginia-gop-fi...qualification/



However, the code they cited makes no mention of a requirement of a candidate's signature. Just the witnesses.

Here's the code:

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/...ction24.2-520/

I really truly don't understand the point you are trying to make.

Aren't witnesses swearing under law that they watched the candidate sign the document? But, there is no signature actually on the document, doesn't that make the witnesses perjurers?

[robbobobbo]

Originally Posted by ersatz

Aren't witnesses swearing under law that they watched the candidate sign the document? But, there is no signature actually on the document, doesn't that make the witnesses perjurers?

Probably not, in this case.

The declaration shall include... [lists several things, none of them being a signature of the candidate]. The declaration shall be... attested by two witnesses...
The witnesses are attesting to the validity of the declaration. An attesting witness isn't exclusively for signifying that one witnessed a document being signed.

It's interesting that the Virginia code for independent candidates, who are not running to be a party's nominee, specifies that the candidate must sign the declaration of candidacy form.

§ 24.2-505. Declaration of candidacy required of independent candidates.
The declaration shall be signed by the candidate, but if he is incapable of writing his proper signature then some mark adopted by him as his signature shall be acknowledged before some officer authorized to take acknowledgments to deeds.

Yet the code for declaring candidacy for party nominee does not specify the same. Was that an oversight and the law's authors assumed the candidate would sign the form? I don't know, but I'm sure McAuliffe's lawyers will latch onto the fact that a signature requirement is explicit for independent candidates, but not for those running for a party nomination. Pretty big loophole, IMO. I expect McAuliffe to be on the ballot this November.

[MummyofAnkha1969]

Originally Posted by VA Yankee

Funny how this surfaces now instead of 2 months ago when he won the Primary I guess his numbers must be looking good, in other new the Youngkin campaign has started the ads with false accusations and dire threats of may happen if Mcauliff wins....

Well, it's a strategy. Wait till the last minute so the Democratic Party wouldn't be able to pick another candidate. Politics 101.

[MummyofAnkha1969]

Originally Posted by robbobobbo

Probably not, in this case.

The declaration shall include... [lists several things, none of them being a signature of the candidate]. The declaration shall be... attested by two witnesses...
The witnesses are attesting to the validity of the declaration. An attesting witness isn't exclusively for signifying that one witnessed a document being signed.

It's interesting that the Virginia code for independent candidates, who are not running to be a party's nominee, specifies that the candidate must sign the declaration of candidacy form.

§ 24.2-505. Declaration of candidacy required of independent candidates.
The declaration shall be signed by the candidate, but if he is incapable of writing his proper signature then some mark adopted by him as his signature shall be acknowledged before some officer authorized to take acknowledgments to deeds.

Yet the code for declaring candidacy for party nominee does not specify the same. Was that an oversight and the law's authors assumed the candidate would sign the form? I don't know, but I'm sure McAuliffe's lawyers will latch onto the fact that a signature requirement is explicit for independent candidates, but not for those running for a party nomination. Pretty big loophole, IMO. I expect McAuliffe to be on the ballot this November.

Oh, wow! That's quite a loophole.... It just seems odd that they'd put a spot for the signature in the document and not require it to be filled. The McAuliffe campaign may have just squeezed by on a technicality.

[LM117]

Originally Posted by robbobobbo

Probably not, in this case.

The declaration shall include... [lists several things, none of them being a signature of the candidate]. The declaration shall be... attested by two witnesses...
The witnesses are attesting to the validity of the declaration. An attesting witness isn't exclusively for signifying that one witnessed a document being signed.

It's interesting that the Virginia code for independent candidates, who are not running to be a party's nominee, specifies that the candidate must sign the declaration of candidacy form.

§ 24.2-505. Declaration of candidacy required of independent candidates.
The declaration shall be signed by the candidate, but if he is incapable of writing his proper signature then some mark adopted by him as his signature shall be acknowledged before some officer authorized to take acknowledgments to deeds.

Yet the code for declaring candidacy for party nominee does not specify the same. Was that an oversight and the law's authors assumed the candidate would sign the form? I don't know, but I'm sure McAuliffe's lawyers will latch onto the fact that a signature requirement is explicit for independent candidates, but not for those running for a party nomination. Pretty big loophole, IMO. I expect McAuliffe to be on the ballot this November.

Bingo.

[ersatz]

I am convinced that Youngkin is a hard-right conservative attempting to mascarade as a moderate in order to rack up enough votes. I was extremely negative about him but I do appreciate his recent campaign advertisement shift that urges people to respect and comply with COVID countermeasures.

[castlelake]

Originally Posted by ersatz

I was extremely negative about him but I do appreciate his recent campaign advertisement shift that urges people to respect and comply with COVID countermeasures.

He needed to do whatever he needed to do to deal with all the brainshashed sheep and get things done, he's a politician. And things are getting done and will be, by that I mean getting rid of vaccinators, maskers and other fascists and totalitarian communism supporters (no I don't believe in your fake "virus", I'm not that gullible).

Virginia did it.
In other states, people were cheering and celebrating - in VA, a glimpse of hope of liberation from current fascist regime. It is worse than Soviet Union. (why do some people love the lies of totalitarians so much? I guess because they never experienced the oppression of full-blown, mature and permanent totalitarian regime - that is only budding here now - and their freedom was brought to them on a plate, but this birthright is easily taken away. I have zero sympathy for such people). Your freedom is not defined by "load on hospitals" (they were never full, dirty lies, but even if they were), by a whim of a dictator. No one can tell you to wear a diaper on your face which prevents normal breathing, when to leave or not leave your house, when to travel, relocate or not, to show some Nazi ausweis to enter an establishment, to inject some experimental poison just because a tyrant is forcing you. There's no one who has a right to tell you this. No one owes you protection bubble from silly fears either, or even from real fears (in this case nothing is real). You're free, so use it.

Back in the day, I had my share of complaints about Virginia, when I lived there...but credit is given when it's due - and it's due - that snake on yellow flag was there for a reason, it shall live and win.