FBI HQ relocation decision postponed yet again. (Greenbelt, North Beach: lawsuits, metro)

[G1..]

Originally Posted by Turnerbro

Well it's about time they did something with that site. It's been abandoned since I was like 12... Looking at you White Flint Mall next.

LOL, that's how old this thread is!

[MrRational]

At some point this topic might warrant having it's own sub-forum

[the resident09]

Originally Posted by adelphi_sky

Old Landover Mall location in Prince George’s Co. could become data center if not selected as FBI HQ site



https://wtop.com/business-finance/20...s-fbi-hq-site/

They should just go ahead and get this done. Perfect site for a data center. It could defeinitly take some of the load from internet traffic going through Ashburn. Also closer to DC and the inner Beltway suburbs.

I'm all for bringing data centers or new tax base into the county, but absolutely not at that site. Landover Mall location is way too prime of real estate for that option and is primed for either a mixed use, or all housing development right there located inside the Beltway. Data centers need to be sent to the outer fringes or less dense populated areas of Prince George's i.e. what they have in Loudoun and Prince William. PG can't afford to waste good real estate that close in, typical Lerners move, smh.

[North Beach Person]

Originally Posted by the resident09

I'm all for bringing data centers or new tax base into the county, but absolutely not at that site. Landover Mall location is way too prime of real estate for that option and is primed for either a mixed use, or all housing development right there located inside the Beltway. Data centers need to be sent to the outer fringes or less dense populated areas of Prince George's i.e. what they have in Loudoun and Prince William. PG can't afford to waste good real estate that close in, typical Lerners move, smh.

How long has that site been empty? If it was so "prime" for mixed use or residential (not what's nearby) it would have been built on already.

If it's not appropriate for a data center it's not appropriate for the FBI.

[ion475]

Originally Posted by North Beach Person

How long has that site been empty? If it was so "prime" for mixed use or residential (not what's nearby) it would have been built on already.

If it's not appropriate for a data center it's not appropriate for the FBI.

Yep...especially when you consider that you DO have mixed-use development very close by, one literally across 495 (Woodmore Towne Center) and one an exit down ("Downtown Largo" or whatever it's call). The first one was built circa 2010, well after Landover Mall was demolished (2006).

Of course, Lerner has its problem...just look at White Flint which still sits empty and that's even more prime development land.

[adelphi_sky]

Originally Posted by ion475

Yep...especially when you consider that you DO have mixed-use development very close by, one literally across 495 (Woodmore Towne Center) and one an exit down ("Downtown Largo" or whatever it's call). The first one was built circa 2010, well after Landover Mall was demolished (2006).

Of course, Lerner has its problem...just look at White Flint which still sits empty and that's even more prime development land.

Any non-residential non-office tax revenue is huge. A data center inside the Beltway is needed. Digex had one in Beltsville, but nothing close to the potential scale the Landover Mall site has.

Being in the IT industry, it could spawn IT offices who want to be as close as possible to datacenters for speed. This would also help out UMD immensely in terms of compute resources and internet resources a few miles away.

It's a win/win. I'd prefer they not wait on the FBI. That could take another 5 years the way things are going.

[bufflove]

Lerner absolutely has a history of sitting on their vacant land for decades at a time. They take their aging assets, bulldoze them to purposefully tank their property tax burden, then sit on their asses and watch land values increase thanks to the effort and investment of others. That includes what are definitely considered "prime" parcels next to metro stations in Tysons and North Bethesda. I wouldn't be surprised if people see this comment 10 years from now and Lerner's slummy ass is still sitting on the land doing nothing.

[ion475]

Originally Posted by bufflove

Lerner absolutely has a history of sitting on their vacant land for decades at a time. They take their aging assets, bulldoze them to purposefully tank their property tax burden, then sit on their asses and watch land values increase thanks to the effort and investment of others. That includes what are definitely considered "prime" parcels next to metro stations in Tysons and North Bethesda. I wouldn't be surprised if people see this comment 10 years from now and Lerner's slummy ass is still sitting on the land doing nothing.

Well, IIRC Lerner is already trying to sell the Landover Mall land back in 2018 or so. No takers, though.

Oh well, we'll see what happen first - something finally get build at White Flint or a data center at Landover Mall site.

[the resident09]

Originally Posted by North Beach Person

How long has that site been empty? If it was so "prime" for mixed use or residential (not what's nearby) it would have been built on already.

If it's not appropriate for a data center it's not appropriate for the FBI.

I don't like the site for the FBI either. I want the FBI to go to Greenbelt.

The Landover site sits directly across the Beltway from one of the busiest shopping centers in Prince George's County, with one of the highest grossing Wegmans in the country. It is inside the DC Beltway. How many data center developments anywhere else around the DC area sit inside the beltway? There are dense residential apartment buildings across the street, and more residential SFH as you go down Brightseat Rd. We could fit thousands of housing units on the Landover Mall site, in an area that desperately needs more affordable options for housing.

[adelphi_sky]

Originally Posted by the resident09

I don't like the site for the FBI either. I want the FBI to go to Greenbelt.

The Landover site sits directly across the Beltway from one of the busiest shopping centers in Prince George's County, with one of the highest grossing Wegmans in the country. It is inside the DC Beltway. How many data center developments anywhere else around the DC area sit inside the beltway? There are dense residential apartment buildings across the street, and more residential SFH as you go down Brightseat Rd. We could fit thousands of housing units on the Landover Mall site, in an area that desperately needs more affordable options for housing.

It has a higher chance of being a datacenter than an FBI campus or a mixed-use town center. As others have said, Landover Mall closed years ago. If it was prime real estate, developers would have been bending over backwards with bidding wars over the property.

And being one of a few datacenters inside the beltway is A huge selling point. There are many benefits to being near a datacenter. Faster internet speeds. IT companies and even financial companies locating close by to get an edge on compute and internet speeds.

Loudoun County has a bulk of the region's datacenters. They helped launch the east coast silicon valley. It would certainly benefit internet users east of DC if there was a similar datacenter in Landover.

We can build housing anywhere. TBH, some of the 50's and 60's era garden apartments could use a refresh or a complete overhaul. Some of these garden style apartment complexes take up 4 whole city blocks. So much land with 20+ separate buildings and all surface parking. Redevelop some of them into high density neighborhoods with retail.

The impacts of data center development are real and long lasting. A state/community should be equally (if not more) motivated to recruit data center developments as it would any other typical economic development project. Incentivizing a 1,700-job corporate headquarters would have the same impact has incentivizing a $1 billion data center.

https://www.areadevelopment.com/data...-2262766.shtml


SOmething tells me it might be an Amazon, Google, or Microsoft datacenter. But we'll see.