Inslee delays plastic bag ban, legislature may extend it...

[elkotronics]

I'll take me some peanut butter - chocolate Cheerios, thank you very much.

[Diana Holbrook]

I think bag bans are the worst kind of virtue signalling. There is more plastic, by weight and volume, in ANY of the products we are buying at the store. We're not saving the planet by trying to juggle our groceries to the car without a bag.

It just FEELS like we are.

And that's what is really important to some people.

[flyingsaucermom]

Originally Posted by Diana Holbrook

I think bag bans are the worst kind of virtue signalling. There is more plastic, by weight and volume, in ANY of the products we are buying at the store. We're not saving the planet by trying to juggle our groceries to the car without a bag.

It just FEELS like we are.

And that's what is really important to some people.

This is because there aren't many reasonable alternatives to buying food in packages. I've written a couple articles in our local newsletter on how to practice a "zero waste" lifestyle which means I did it enough to be recognized for it. You can't actually get down to zero waste (and be a functioning member of mainstream society), but you can cut down to very little... we were throwing out a mason jar size of trash per week for a good year or so. Enough where I debated cancelling our trash service...

But I didn't have a job that year My kids were still little and completely under my influence. We didn't do much except haunt the neighborhood.

And I was annoying.

All those things have changed in the last couple years (maybe I'm still annoying though) and I couldn't keep up the good fight. Simple as that.

It really wasn't about virtue signaling for me. In fact, the more I was asked to write the articles and was highlighted by community leaders to talk about my lifestyle the more I felt like I was the "token gesture" towards the community's original directives. We were supposed to be an expression of New Urbanism and that's what attracted me to the neighborhood in the first place. We were collectively supposed to be about "living green". Instead it felt like I was "living green" for the entire community. They would put my article next to others that sent out the absolutely opposite message and didn't think twice about it.

They just want to look good and want the community to look good. My authentic efforts were used for greenwashing. I'm very bitter about it and that's why I needed to find a new place.

I love what this neighborhood has done for our net worth because SO MANY PEOPLE want to live here, but I don't. I literally can't wait to leave (and hence the homestead five years too early).

[rantiquity]

Originally Posted by 509

Right...lets get rid of supermarket jobs by doing self-check out and ENRICH the Corporate Elites.


Really folks....what are you thinking?? Whose side are you on???

Originally Posted by pnwguy2

While I understand this train of thought, I would offer that for grocery stores to continue competitive pricing they will need to cut costs where they can. If self-checkout accomplishes this, then the consumer will ultimately win, in as they will not pay higher prices. Plus, some just prefer it over someone touching their products in today's covid world.

Costco in my town stopped the self check out months ago. Walmart still has them but as far as I know no grocery store has no self check out... at least in Sequim.

Does anyone else have self check out grocery stores in their area?

[oregonwoodsmoke]

The big box do-it-yourself stores have self checkout, as does Walmart. No place else where I shop has them. I suspect that shoplifting loss is too high with them.

It doesn't matter what the speed limit is in Seattle after Seattle finishes defunding the police. Most drivers aren't going to follow speed limit laws if there is no enforcement.

[Botev1912]

Most major stores have self checkouts - Fred Meyer, Safeway, Costco, Target, Walmart, Home Depot.

[pnwguy2]

Originally Posted by oregonwoodsmoke

The big box do-it-yourself stores have self checkout, as does Walmart. No place else where I shop has them. I suspect that shoplifting loss is too high with them.

It doesn't matter what the speed limit is in Seattle after Seattle finishes defunding the police. Most drivers aren't going to follow speed limit laws if there is no enforcement.

It is kind of funny, back in the 80's Seattle drivers were criticized as being slowpokes on the freeways, nowadays it is the Indy 500. I'm sure it is a combination of little enforcement plus so many newcomers bringing their freeway habits to the area. So be it, I like the faster pace for sure. But I just realized this has nothing to do with plastic bags!

[margaretBartle]

Originally Posted by pnwguy2

His reasoning on this seems to be sound...

https://komonews.com/news/local/gov-...e-plastic-bags

What I don't understand is why they call them "single use" bags?
I use those grocery bags for my trash. I have trash bins that are just the right size for them.
When I travel, I make my own coffee and sometimes other liquids - sourp, smoothees, because my own food is better and cheapre than what I would get on the road. I put them in a plastic bag in case the top works loose.


The bags that are being banned are the reusable bags. It makes no sense!



The little bags that are in the produce aisle, or the bulk bin aisles are too small, as are bread wrappers, although I keep a few of all those sizes around, just in case, like if I want to wrap a sandwich.


So why do they let people put an orange in a plastic bag? That's not considered a waste, but take your groceries home in a plastic bag, and then use it to take the garbage out - that's going to ruin the environment? Nonsense!



So what do people do to take out the trash? They go to the store and buy trash bags that are wastefully big and heavy - even worse.


I don't know anyone who takes their grocery bags home, unloads the groceries, and then goes out in the street and throws the bag away. The plastic that we see on the streets are mostly the little bags you get when you buy a candy bar at the drug store. The trash that is in the garbage island in the middle of the Pacific is mostly from Asia, where they break down containers of things like shampoo and soap, and sell them in single-use plastic containers.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/...me/1133838002/


This is just more theatre. I'm totally surprised that people believe it.

[pnwguy2]

I have used plastic grocery bags as garbage bags for decades. I’m sure someone will inform me why this is wrong! And then I will continue to use them until they permanently run out when Jay’s ban eventually someday kicks in.