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The title of the thread rather clearly indicates that this is about when winter starts subjectively, to different people in their relevant locations. NOT the "official definition", because everybody knows that anyway, what's more, most informed or reasonably intelligent people are aware that the date is December 21st, for that matter.
The ignorance of some people is truly astounding, ain't it?
When the skies are gray, less sun, highs in the 50's , lows in the 40's (and dropping week to week) I need a coat to go outside for any length of time and when I wake up each morning my house feels definitely colder than usual, my car gives me a chill so I warm it up for comfort, the trees are devoid of leaves and evergreens put out their berries. That to me is the start of a NC winter!
Of course the date stating the start of winter is Dec 21 however that doesn't mean all areas feel like winter at that point in time. I was interested in hearing when most people felt it was winter-like in their area!
If we use the equinoxes and solstices to mark the beginning of seasons, then winter starts on 21 or 22 December and ends on 20 or 21 March. But even for places with significant seasonal lag such as Southern Ontario, March (which is mostly winter according to this definition) is on most years warmer than December (which is mostly autumn).
I actually prefer the meteorological definition when it comes to describing seasons (with the three warmest months as summer, and three coldest months as winter). So, using this definition, winter starts on December 1st, and ends on Feb 28. But classifying March and November not as winter months feels somehow wrong, so, my definition of winter starts somewhere in between early and mid-November, and ends late March.
Depends where you are, but the beginning of December in most places is definitely warmer than the beginning of March. December 10 is about the same as March 10. So if winter must be 3 months, December 10 to March 10 is a better length. November is much too warm to be considered winter for me, we had a high of 50 F this month
So cold last night, down to 15°F AGAIN, but we are going to have a big thaw this weekend, with temps reaching the average of about 7°C / 45°F, thank GOD.
Officialy it is Dec 21.
But if you could look out my window right now and see all the snow and the thermometer reading 23 degrees and the snow plows going by once in awhile I think it is winter.
For me it starts when it starts acting like winter. And it sure is right now. Dec 6th.
Winter solstice doesn't mean much. Some years winter starts here before Thanksgiving. Some years we don't see snow untill after Christmas. Usualy the first good snow starts winter for me.
And we got a pretty good snow now that isn't supposed to let up for another 36 hours.
Possible depths of 12 to 24 inches by Tuesday night where lake effect snow bands persist. I hope they are wrong.
The snowblower will get its first startup today.
I have a police scanner I'm listening to right now. There are wrecks and cars in ditches all over the area.
Seems like some forget how to drive on slick roads from one winter to the next.
Tow companies and plow operaters will make some could money over the next couple days.
What I don't get is how everybody, I mean literally everybody, on www.netweather.tv forums and such UK weather forums is always after more cold and snow, and want just about the worst winter could possibly bring, and add lots of cold favoritism "bias" to the model chat.
BUT. As soon as anyone such as myself even indicates they prefer milder, more convenient weather, they get bloody pillaged and insulted by losers with nothing better to do than shed contempt on me because I prefer milder weather. I can't believe how simple minded and pathetic such "people" really are.
I can't even enjoy having discussions on those forums because of people like that offering their blasted snarky comments, rudeness and insults when I even talk about chance of milder weather this weekend let's say.
I've had some idiots called me "heat obsessed" or a "heat freak" on this forum, while I prefer what I call "survivable" temperatures (70-90F for example), it is clear that the extent to which that goes is nothing like the level of "cold obsession" that some of the tards on these other forums demonstrate to the extent of actually insulting others over their preferences. People really do stink.
What I don't get is how everybody, I mean literally everybody, on www.netweather.tv forums and such UK weather forums is always after more cold and snow, and want just about the worst winter could possibly bring, and add lots of cold favoritism "bias" to the model chat.
BUT. As soon as anyone such as myself even indicates they prefer milder, more convenient weather, they get bloody pillaged and insulted by losers with nothing better to do than shed contempt on me because I prefer milder weather. I can't believe how simple minded and pathetic such "people" really are.
I can't even enjoy having discussions on those forums because of people like that offering their blasted snarky comments, rudeness and insults when I even talk about chance of milder weather this weekend let's say.
I've had some idiots called me "heat obsessed" or a "heat freak" on this forum, while I prefer what I call "survivable" temperatures (70-90F for example), it is clear that the extent to which that goes is nothing like the level of "cold obsession" that some of the tards on these other forums demonstrate to the extent of actually insulting others over their preferences. People really do stink.
God, you don't half moan a lot. I don't like having to wear extra layers, travel disruption and extra heating bills either but consider this payback for 10-15 years of unusually mild winters. Personally, I love it when records of any kind get broken. If it's going to be cold, then let's do it properly and get a coldest December for 100 years or something out of it. If you hate damp, cool, overcast weather that much and prefer 70-90F and dry then you might like to consider moving away from a town at 53N that's known as one of the snowiest/gloomiest in the country. You'll never be satisfied by your weather otherwise.
Winter is here. I'm still curious as to how we have Lake Effect Flurries when we're about 400 miles southeast of whatever Great Lake (Ontario or Erie) the moisture is coming from. This seems odd.
I wasn't prepared for this cold (29-30 degrees).
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