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Old 05-19-2013, 06:06 AM
 
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How it all starts?


Snowfall data from NOAA Rutger’s Snow Lab for April is in. November 2012 to April 2013 ranked the HIGHEST on record



Whats funny is that this happens in an era where the majority of the hype is "we're warming"
You seem very misinformed on this subject. Snow has actually increased in more extreme polar climates because of global warming. There are temperatures at which it is simply too cold to snow. Those temperatures are reached far less often now and, therefore, it is becoming warm enough to snow in places that it was previously too cold to snow.

Also, again, the result of a warming planet has long been known to include more chaotic weather, including more snow in some areas and unseasonable parts of the year. Be careful not to confuse weather and climate.
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Old 05-19-2013, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Near the Coast SWCT
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Close to all time record Ice Out. Live picture with link.


"The Nenana Ice Classic is a pretty good proxy for climate change in the 20th century"
"If that’s true, it looks like we are headed to colder times. Here is the current live view which updates every 30 seconds. "

Nenana Ice Classic – closing in on all time record latest ice-out | Watts Up With That?
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Old 05-19-2013, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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You seem very misinformed on this subject. Snow has actually increased in more extreme polar climates because of global warming. There are temperatures at which it is simply too cold to snow. Those temperatures are reached far less often now and, therefore, it is becoming warm enough to snow in places that it was previously too cold to snow.

Also, again, the result of a warming planet has long been known to include more chaotic weather, including more snow in some areas and unseasonable parts of the year. Be careful not to confuse weather and climate.

Notice how he never uses data or a source other than biased sites like WUWT(founded by a skeptic), CBN, etc.

I'd like to see data from a scientific journal.
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Old 05-19-2013, 11:13 AM
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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Close to all time record Ice Out. Live picture with link.


"The Nenana Ice Classic is a pretty good proxy for climate change in the 20th century"
"If that’s true, it looks like we are headed to colder times. Here is the current live view which updates every 30 seconds. "

Nenana Ice Classic – closing in on all time record latest ice-out | Watts Up With That?
Since one unusually cold spring in Alaska is enough to make a conclusion about climate change. I could take a number of unusually mild northern springs in the last decade and make the opposite conclusion — especially since there have been more anamolously warm subarctic / arctic ones recently.
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Old 05-19-2013, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Portsmouth, UK
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What a load of rubbish!

Like Nei states we have had plenty of below average months in the UK over the past couple of years, but we have had plenty of above average ones too...

A few years back when the UK had a run of hot summers & mild winters everyone was saying how the climate was shifting to something warmer... It didn't. Now we have had a few cold winters & rubbish summers & everyone is saying we are shiftin to something colder. We might be, but again we probably are not...

Climate change (as is the correct term) was always supposed to have huge extremes in weather, which we have had & are having. Nothing is predictable anymore...
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Old 05-19-2013, 11:48 AM
 
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Close to all time record Ice Out. Live picture with link.


"The Nenana Ice Classic is a pretty good proxy for climate change in the 20th century"
"If that’s true, it looks like we are headed to colder times. Here is the current live view which updates every 30 seconds. "

Nenana Ice Classic – closing in on all time record latest ice-out | Watts Up With That?
Your link proves nothing. It's about one floating sensor in one part of the world. You still seem very confused by the difference between global climate and local weather.

Please educate yourself from unbiased sources. Scientists have already addressed all of your false claims by accounting for natural cycles and assessing where we should be in a natural cycle, then seeing how that differs based on human inputs.

They've made some mistakes for sure, but that is the nature of science. You just need to work on educating yourself better from objective sources across many disciplines. The only debate remaining is to what degree humans are influencing this warming climate.
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Old 05-19-2013, 11:48 AM
 
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Great read for everyone. Shows we've been through this hype (on both sides) for a looong time. Lots of cool details with link.

Periodic claims of ''Global Cooling'' then ''Global Warming'' since 1800's

Global Cooling: 1895-1932

Global Warming: 1929-1969

Global Cooling: 1954-1976

Global Warming 1981-?

This is probably a better read for the ones who are being brainwashed by the media who will NEVER mention the cooling signs. They dont even mention the record ice and snow happening. Good luck finding a story from them.
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Old 05-19-2013, 12:00 PM
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Great read for everyone. Shows we've been through this hype (on both sides) for a looong time. Lots of cool details with link.

Periodic claims of ''Global Cooling'' then ''Global Warming'' since 1800's

Global Cooling: 1895-1932

Global Warming: 1929-1969

Global Cooling: 1954-1976

Global Warming 1981-?
Scientific knowledge was sometimes incomplete, especially on global temperature, for the first half of the 20th century. As global cooling of the late 50s to mid 70s, the majority of scientific sources were either mentioned cooling as a possibility but not convinced or thought warming more likely. The media reported differently, but they're not particularly relevant to a scientific issue.

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This is probably a better read for the ones who are being brainwashed by the media who will NEVER mention the cooling signs. They dont even mention the record ice and snow happening. Good luck finding a story from them.
Media? I look at the most scientific sources practical not media ones. Why bother mention them? In any case record snow and ice? The data is easily available. Northern hemisphere anamolies for April:



Not record breaking, a couple years in the mid 90s had more snow. Still a lot more than previous recent years, but those were well below average (compared to the 1971-2000 average). And it's also only one year, it's not worthwhile to make a conclusion out of. Now let's look at June:



Extremely strong downward trend. Likely this year will be an exception to the trend.

Rutgers University Climate Lab :: Global Snow Lab
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Old 05-19-2013, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Niagara Falls, ON
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Joke material. Move on, folks.
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Old 05-19-2013, 12:43 PM
 
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Great read for everyone. Shows we've been through this hype (on both sides) for a looong time. Lots of cool details with link.

Periodic claims of ''Global Cooling'' then ''Global Warming'' since 1800's

Global Cooling: 1895-1932

Global Warming: 1929-1969

Global Cooling: 1954-1976

Global Warming 1981-?

This is probably a better read for the ones who are being brainwashed by the media who will NEVER mention the cooling signs. They dont even mention the record ice and snow happening. Good luck finding a story from them.
I don't think you realize how ignorant this information sounds to those who know better. Even with questionable science back then:

1895-1932: a natural global cooling era did begin

1954 - 1976: The proliferation of industrial particulate matter in the air caused a cooling effect

1981 - ?: the particulate matter faded with technology and regulation, leaving greenhouse gases to trap heat. We now have more average CO2 than at any time in the past 3 million years.

You also have to consider the depth and longevity of expanding ice. Is it much thinner than before? Does it leave more quickly?

You're not grasping that the research accounts for natural warming and cooling. While you gather your misinformation from media sites such as ... The Motley Fool (an investment advice website that has nothing to do with climate science), those of us who are educated get our information directly from scientific research.

We're not brainwashed. We're simply better informed than you are. You've clearly lost this debate, Cabium, but keep working at it, keep studying, and when you get older you'll have a much better grasp of this subject matter to engage at our level.

Be well.
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