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There are sub-tropical gardens all over southern England and Western Britain. Doesn't make it 'sub-tropical' though rather its Oceanic with winter temperatures well above freezing. Anywhere that 'freezes' in the winter months cannot be considered sub-tropical, arguably by the very nature of Oceanic climates not freezing makes them CLOSER to sub-tropical climates? I say 'arguably' but there is no better judge than nature in my book and if something looks like a duck...............?
Where is tropical? Tropical? Turning my head and still can't see tropical. Haven't we already discussed this
Maybe it looks tropical compared to your English cottage garden but nothing about that looks tropical to me. Looks like something you'd find in Spain
A "subtropical garden" in Florida that gets a few freezes a decade looks 1000x more tropical than Tresco
There are sub-tropical gardens all over southern England and Western Britain. Doesn't make it 'sub-tropical' though rather its Oceanic with winter temperatures well above freezing. Anywhere that 'freezes' in the winter months cannot be considered sub-tropical, arguably by the very nature of Oceanic climates not freezing makes them CLOSER to sub-tropical climates? I say 'arguably' but there is no better judge than nature in my book and if something looks like a duck...............?
What the heck do you mean by freezes during winter months, are you talking about daily averages, night averages, or a few nights for a few hours in the morning each year?
New Orleans can grow more than anywhere in the UK, it's not even a fair comparison, New Orleans has streets lined with gigantic CIPDs(that are better looking) like that Tresco Abbey garden, and they've been there for 50-100 years, so even they survived the 1980s cold waves.
The ironic thing is those "subtropical" plants in that garden can take some freezes each year and do fine like the CIPDs, I guess those are not actually subtropical by your own definition.
What the heck do you mean by freezes during winter months, are you talking about daily averages, night averages, or a few nights for a few hours in the morning each year?
New Orleans can grow more than anywhere in the UK, it's not even a fair comparison, New Orleans has streets lined with gigantic CIPDs(that are better looking) like that Tresco Abbey garden, and they've been there for 50-100 years, so even they survived the 1980s cold waves.
The ironic thing is those "subtropical" plants in that garden can take some freezes each year and do fine like the CIPDs, I guess those are not actually subtropical by your own definition.
Well anywhere that freezes enough to kill sub-tropical plants!
New York is VERY obviously NOT sub-tropical, the winter 'average' lows there are below freezing! And thats just the 'average' - that low I suggest is far too cold to support sub-tropical flora.
New Orleans 'average' lows are around 7 degress C, that I would suggest is easily warm enough for sub-tropical flora to grow. Nobody is suggesting that New Orleans isn't a sub-tropical location though are they!!?
Hey you originally mentioned tropical plants in Scilly, not me. I'm just wondering where they are
Maybe it would help to be more precise? In your last post, you went from "not freezing" to "not freezing enough to kill subtropical plants (which ones? They all have different tolerances)" to "New York". Can't expect us to guess what you mean
Well anywhere that freezes enough to kill sub-tropical plants!
New York is VERY obviously NOT sub-tropical, the winter 'average' lows there are below freezing! And thats just the 'average' - that low I suggest is far too cold to support sub-tropical flora.
New Orleans 'average' lows are around 7 degress C, that I would suggest is easily warm enough for sub-tropical flora to grow. Nobody is suggesting that New Orleans isn't a sub-tropical location though are they!!?
So you mean by freezing you mean the daily averages, that's already the standard definition of subtropical.
New York City is historically a humid continental climate but because of global warming it is becoming more subtropical, I think it's daily average is a little above freezing at 33 degrees using the 1991-2020 data.
Yeah none of those are tropical except some highland plants from non-climatically tropical mountains. Was I too subtle? Tropical plants and subtropical and Mediterranean plants are different things.
Yeah none of those are tropical except some highland plants from non-climatically tropical mountains. Was I too subtle? Tropical plants and subtropical and Mediterranean plants are different things.
Yes they are! (the plants not the climates!) are bananas not tropical?! You haven't bothered to read the links have you!
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