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Old 11-07-2014, 02:47 PM
 
Location: South Jersey
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It is none of your business, nor mine, what sexual activity consenting adults choose to engage in or view (pornography).
True. I object more to the business side of it. As such, I don't object to amateur porn or self-porn. If an adult couple wants to upload a video of themselves having sex and share it with the world, they're free to do that and I couldn't care less. But the porn industry is odious and I do object to it.

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That's contradictory. Legalized prostitution would cause it to be institutionalized, which would be a good thing IMO. It would be safer for those involved and it would be a statement of freedom.
It's not contradictory. In fact, it's the norm in some places. You can freely exchange money for sex, but there are no brothels, pimps, exploitative middlemen, etc.

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The death penalty has failed as a deterrent. We live in one of the most violent countries in the western world. Of course there are a variety of factors that contribute to it, i.e. easy access to guns, income inequality, unemployment, etc. The death penalty is barbaric. How on earth could you support the government killing its own citizens? Sickening. Two wrongs don't make a right. What's worse is that innocent people have been executed. That alone is reason enough to abolish the death penalty.
As to the death penalty infringing on the rights of the condemned, I don't think it's an issue any more than life in prison (or incarceration in general) is unjust. Not that the wrongful execution of people isn't a serious issue, but spending your whole life in jail for a crime you didn't commit isn't a particularly good alternative. Needless to say, we should be absolutely someone is guilty before executing them. Also, what about the victim's surviving family members in the case of murder? I think they should have a say in it.

 
Old 11-07-2014, 02:59 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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As to the death penalty infringing on the rights of the condemned, I don't think it's an issue any more than life in prison (or incarceration in general) is unjust. Not that the wrongful execution of people isn't a serious issue, but spending your whole life in jail for a crime you didn't commit isn't a particularly good alternative. Needless to say, we should be absolutely someone is guilty before executing them. Also, what about the victim's surviving family members in the case of murder? I think they should have a say in it.
Some have been exonerated after decades in prison. At least they're still alive so they can be freed. It doesn't make up for the injustice of being locked up, but it's a far better alternative than MURDERING an innocent person.

I'm sure a victim's family would like to strangle the accused, or kill them in the fashion that their relative was killed in, but that's not right. Two wrongs don't make a right. Sometimes there is a rush for 'justice' and an innocent person can get swept into it.
 
Old 11-07-2014, 03:08 PM
 
Location: South Jersey
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Some have been exonerated after decades in prison. At least they're still alive so they can be freed. It doesn't make up for the injustice of being locked up, but it's a far better alternative than MURDERING an innocent person.
True, which is why I'm in favor of the death penalty when there's absolutely no doubt the person is guilty. That's why there's a pretty extensive appeals process and it takes decades to executive someone. In the case of someone like Anders Breivik, there's really no doubt whatsoever that he's guilty, so there's no need to worry that he'd be executed wrongfully. Anyway, I wouldn't call it "murder" any more than I would call incarceration "kidnapping."
 
Old 11-07-2014, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, Canada
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What are you studying??
Hospitality and Tourism Management
 
Old 11-07-2014, 06:18 PM
 
Location: London, UK
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Hospitality and Tourism Management
Oh ok sounds good, I'm doing a L2 Culinary skills course.
 
Old 11-07-2014, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Oh ok sounds good, I'm doing a L2 Culinary skills course.
its alright... although i kinda wanna finish it already lol
are you ejoing your course?

I cant cook anythign haha
 
Old 11-07-2014, 06:36 PM
 
Location: London, UK
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Yeah I'm enjoying the course...
 
Old 11-07-2014, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Castlederp
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I've always thought that families who want the suspect in a murder of one of their family sentenced to the death penalty are just as bad as the criminals themselves. Of course you will feel hatred for someone who murdered one of your family - but as dunno said, two wrongs do not make a right.

I know personally that no matter what someone else had done to a friend or family member, I would not feel comfortable trying to sentence them to death. In fact I think that people who wish death on criminals are a bit psychotic themselves, as it is not a normal human emotion to wish death on somebody else.
 
Old 11-07-2014, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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I've always thought that families who want the suspect in a murder of one of their family sentenced to the death penalty are just as bad as the criminals themselves. Of course you will feel hatred for someone who murdered one of your family - but as dunno said, two wrongs do not make a right.

I know personally that no matter what someone else had done to a friend or family member, I would not feel comfortable trying to sentence them to death. In fact I think that people who wish death on criminals are a bit psychotic themselves, as it is not a normal human emotion to wish death on somebody else.
I think you're being unduly harsh on the families of victims. What they have gone through is something we fortunate people cannot even imagine and so it's impossible to say with certainty how we would react. Their reaction is a completely normal one.

Of course, that's also why they aren't the ones responsible for the verdict in such cases.
 
Old 11-07-2014, 08:54 PM
 
Location: South Jersey
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I've always thought that families who want the suspect in a murder of one of their family sentenced to the death penalty are just as bad as the criminals themselves.
Let's just say I completely disagree with that...
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I know personally that no matter what someone else had done to a friend or family member, I would not feel comfortable trying to sentence them to death. In fact I think that people who wish death on criminals are a bit psychotic themselves, as it is not a normal human emotion to wish death on somebody else.
Psychotic is not the right word at all. If you mean psychopathic, no way. Psychopaths are the ones who commit the heinous murders. I associate psychopathy more with institutionalized sexual exploitation for monetary gain, though I know this view is not necessarily prevalent, so I wouldn't actually insinuate that about someone who disagrees with me on that. And like it or not, it's a normal part of the human psyche to want revenge for wrongdoings. Capital punishment has been practiced throughout human history and continues to be. Whether you support it or not is highly correlated with where you live in the world and whether it's practiced in your country. It's not an issue I feel strongly about. Not at all. But I don't oppose it and there are many cases where it would seem fitting.
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