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Old 02-09-2016, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Key Biscayne, FL
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Downtown now, 61F and overcast. 12:22 P.M
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Old 02-09-2016, 10:23 AM
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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I visited India around winter solstice (23-24.5°N), that's the closest I've felt Miami-like low-ish sun angle and warm temperatures. The strangest part was the days were so short, but the temperatures and peak sun angle felt like early or mid September.
 
Old 02-09-2016, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Lexington, KY
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How so? I don't think a 1,000 mile difference would make a big difference considering the sun is 93 million miles away.
I don't know but the stronger sun is always the first thing I notice once I get south of Savannah and especially into Central Florida. Even at Thanksgiving it was like going back months here.

Lexington on September 25:



Daytona Beach on November 27:

 
Old 02-09-2016, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Broward County, FL
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It felt strange than it would now, as there were a couple days with high dew points in early November, so it wasn't unfamiliar. Harder to get now, as the sea is colder. I wonder what a 64°F dewpoint on snow would do? Instant ground fog?
More than likely, I read somewhere that snow melts slower at the same temperature when the DP is lower, I wonder how much merit that has?
 
Old 02-09-2016, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Broward County, FL
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I don't know but the stronger sun is always the first thing I notice once I get south of Savannah and especially into Central Florida. Even at Thanksgiving it was like going back months here.

Lexington on September 25:



Daytona Beach on November 27:
Though the sun angles are rather similar, you can tell the sun angle in the Daytona Beach picture is lower than Lexington's on September 25 (though only slightly so).
 
Old 02-09-2016, 10:55 AM
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More than likely, I read somewhere that snow melts slower at the same temperature when the DP is lower, I wonder how much merit that has?
Think I've read that, too. I'm sure it would have an effect, dunno if it would that large of an effect. A dewpoint of 64°F holds a lot of water, at that high it might make a difference. The 64°F dewpoint in NYC last December was followed by warm rain, that would melt snow fast.

I read the snowline in the mountains of Southeast Alaska retreats faster on rainy days than warmer sunnier days. Hmm, this says that dewpoints matter more than rain

Rapidly Melting Snow | From the Lee Side
 
Old 02-09-2016, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Lexington, KY
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Though the sun angles are rather similar, you can tell the sun angle in the Daytona Beach picture is lower than Lexington's on September 25 (though only slightly so).
Might have to do with my camera position, not sure the sun angles difference for those dates. To me the intensity of light looks the same though.
 
Old 02-09-2016, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Broward County, FL
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Think I've read that, too. I'm sure it would have an effect, dunno if it would that large of an effect. A dewpoint of 64°F holds a lot of water, at that high it might make a difference. The 64°F dewpoint in NYC last December was followed by warm rain, that would melt snow fast.

I read the snowline in the mountains of Southeast Alaska retreats faster on rainy days than warmer sunnier days. Hmm, this says that dewpoints matter more than rain

Rapidly Melting Snow | From the Lee Side
Hmmmmm, perhaps since higher dew points hold more water, it's more efficient in melting snow and ice? Notice if you pour water over an ice cube, the ice cube melts faster than just leaving it alone. Maybe it's a similar effect here?


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Might have to do with my camera position, not sure the sun angles difference for those dates. To me the intensity of light looks the same though.
Hmmmm, I noticed the sun angle difference because the sun is more centered in the first picture.


Looks like in Daytona Beach, the sun angle on November 27 is about 39.5 degrees at solar noon

Calculation of sun’s position in the sky for each location on the earth at any time of day

In Lexington on September 25 it's about 50.5 degrees


Calculation of sun’s position in the sky for each location on the earth at any time of day


Interestingly enough, if you add them together it's 90 degrees.
 
Old 02-09-2016, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Lexington, KY
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Looks like in Daytona Beach, the sun angle on November 27 is about 39.5 degrees at solar noon

Calculation of sun’s position in the sky for each location on the earth at any time of day

In Lexington on September 25 it's about 50.5 degrees


Calculation of sun’s position in the sky for each location on the earth at any time of day
You would think 39.5 degrees would look dimmer but it doesn't.
 
Old 02-09-2016, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Broward County, FL
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You would think 39.5 degrees would look dimmer but it doesn't.
Remember 39.5 degrees is still nearly halfway between 0 and 90 degrees, so the sun will still be a ways from the horizon.




It would be interesting to experience a really low sun angle at solar noon, like below 15 degrees. I bet the sun just looks more like a glow in the sky.
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