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Old 06-04-2017, 09:49 AM
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The problem with these Abrahamic religions, including Christianity, is that they're very open to interpretation. You can find passages within scripture that justify just about anything.

Fortunately Christianity has come through the extremist period and a more moderate adversion is now practiced. Islam still has a way to go.
I do think it's easier to interpert Islam in a violent way. Difference is Christianity was an independent and often repressed religion for the first couple centuries. Islam was spread with an army almost immediately. It also codifying more conservative notes from the time more so than Christianity

 
Old 06-04-2017, 09:50 AM
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I know. Yet I still see a lot of American right wingers trying to exploit this in order to promote gun rights. Ridiculous.
If the police were armed it could have helped
 
Old 06-04-2017, 10:05 AM
 
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I do think it's easier to interpert Islam in a violent way. Difference is Christianity was an independent and often repressed religion for the first couple centuries. Islam was spread with an army almost immediately. It also codifying more conservative notes from the time more so than Christianity
I think it's easier to interpret it as violent because Muhammad was a warlord, and violence is a major theme within the Quran. The spread that you alluded to was a continuation of Muhammad's military campaigns. It's never been a religion of peace, even at its birth.

People always talk about the crusades, but forget that they were a direct response to 500 years of constant Islamic aggression against Christianity.
 
Old 06-04-2017, 10:06 AM
 
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If the police were armed it could have helped
The police were armed. That part of London is full of armed police because of how many politically and culturally sensitive buildings are in the vicinity.
 
Old 06-04-2017, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Buxton, England
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Picked up my dumbells to do some seated overhead presses and bits of my chair started falling off.
 
Old 06-04-2017, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Portsmouth, UK
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If the police were armed it could have helped
And if citizens were allowed guns, as in the US, dozens more would have been killed...

The UK has armed response units, they were there within EIGHT minutes & shot the 3 ****s dead. I'd say they did a pretty good & prompt job...
 
Old 06-04-2017, 10:14 AM
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The police have raided property in east London and arrested 12 barbaric ****s.

London attack: 12 arrested in Barking after van and knife attack - BBC News
 
Old 06-04-2017, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Rochester, NY
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I have always been of the stance that there is both wrong with Islam and that it's just a small minority of terrorsits and extremists. Lumping all muslims into the same category of backwards extremists was unjust and things like Muslim bans were discriminatory and wrong. But as the terrorist attacked mount up, it's becoming harder and harder to think this way. Of course there's nothing wrong with most Muslims, but something needs to be done about the disturbing number of Islamic terror attacks. However, any sort of increased government surveillance as an attempt to stop terrorism is a big no-no to me. A government shouldn't have the power to spy on its citizens, especially when the vast majority are good, law-abiding people.
 
Old 06-04-2017, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Seoul
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9/11 killed a lot of people, you live in NYC ... Though recently, just Islamic attacks make up a fraction of attacks. I feel like those that focus on them above all others do so for a political agenda
If you live in a big city in the US you should be more worried about being shot by some idiot gangbanger with no future as opposed to being killed by the Muslim extremists
 
Old 06-04-2017, 11:28 AM
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why are you trying to downplay islamic extermism? i don't get it. the u.s has less muslims than most european countries. why doesn't **** like this happen in poland or other eastern european countries? lol. i think we all know the answer to that.
US has about as many Muslims in total as the uk. I'm not trying to downplay it, but people make it a worse threat than it is, it's not the only source of violence or even main. Eventually the over-emphasis gets tiresome and it's clearly used to justify a political agenda.
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