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I don't think anyone has said that, just pointing out how moderate climates can support subtropical vegetation more so than many places with hotter summers.
No, they can’t. They don’t have native subtropical environments, and you keep on talking about minima and record cold spells. The subtropical southeast well inland, up to your hated borderline regions, gets more consistent winter warmth than the UK is at all capable of. Brief shots of frigidity by night don’t impact subtropical vegetation as much as 1) indirect sunlight of northern latitudes and 2) extended cool temperatures and lukewarm summers. You seem to ignore Holdridge life zone and growing degree days that point these things out, because it doesn’t flatter your climate anti-Americanism.
You will be able to grow an array of subtropical plants in a northerly Oceanic climate that will never reach their full growth potential, but in a climate like Tennessee, a number of warm temperate and subtropical species will reach their full growth potential.
Canary Island date palms grow all over New Zealand and southern UK, and they are a native of southern Europe/Canary Islands with plenty of heat in summer and winter warmth. Outside of deep southern and coastal areas you won't find CIDP's surviving in North America's eastern areas.
And yet, the US has more native palms than the UK and any country in Europe. In fact, Oklahoma has more native palm trees than the UK - 1. It also supports cotton, a variety of lizards, and alligators.
In fact, Canary Island Date Palms do grow well in parts of the southeastern US, but you’ll never see subtropical crops cultivated in the UK, nor plants like Spanish Moss, Crepe Myrtle, and Sabals growing well in the UK.
Here’s where the debate ends: the southern US has native subtropical plant species, including palm trees, and fauna, and supports subtropical agriculture - it was settled by the British for plantation agriculture.
Canary Island date palms grow all over New Zealand and southern UK, and they are a native of southern Europe/Canary Islands with plenty of heat in summer and winter warmth. Outside of deep southern and coastal areas you won't find CIDP's surviving in North America's eastern areas.
You're not wrong. I used to be "hot summer is necessary" believer but no longer; I converted about 3 years ago. This thread right here was my come-to-Jesus moment:
similar to how looking at photos and videos Sydney's beaches have cooler water but it is much more clear and blue than some of those Queensland beaches with all their rainfall runoff making the water murky.
Queensland murky? I believe Brisbane and other southerly areas look nice — perhaps you mean the farther north areas up the York Peninsula?
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Queensland murky? I believe Brisbane and other southerly areas look nice — perhaps you mean the farther north areas up the York Peninsula?
The Brisbane River has become famously brown--it's known locally as The Brown Snake. However, this murkiness is relatively recent (as in the last 100 years) thanks, as usual, to development near the river and dredging. Before Europeans showed up the river was evidently pristine.
Now when The Big Wet comes tonnes of sediment flows into Moreton Bay--which is supposed to be crystal clear--threatening its fragile ecosystem.
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No, they can’t. They don’t have native subtropical environments, and you keep on talking about minima and record cold spells. The subtropical southeast well inland, up to your hated borderline regions, gets more consistent winter warmth than the UK is at all capable of. Brief shots of frigidity by night don’t impact subtropical vegetation as much as 1) indirect sunlight of northern latitudes and 2) extended cool temperatures and lukewarm summers. You seem to ignore Holdridge life zone and growing degree days that point these things out, because it doesn’t flatter your climate anti-Americanism.
You will be able to grow an array of subtropical plants in a northerly Oceanic climate that will never reach their full growth potential, but in a climate like Tennessee, a number of warm temperate and subtropical species will reach their full growth potential.
Canary Island date palms grow all over New Zealand and southern UK, and they are a native of southern Europe/Canary Islands with plenty of heat in summer and winter warmth. Outside of deep southern and coastal areas you won't find CIDP's surviving in North America's eastern areas.
Yep, these are a palm that produce seedlings before they have even produced a trunk.
Although I read just recently that the ones of the Scilly Isles have never fruited.
The Brisbane River has become famously brown--it's known locally as The Brown Snake. However, this murkiness is relatively recent (as in the last 100 years) thanks, as usual, to development near the river and dredging. Before Europeans showed up the river was evidently pristine.
Now when The Big Wet comes tonnes of sediment flows into Moreton Bay--which is supposed to be crystal clear--threatening its fragile ecosystem.
Canary Island date palms grow all over New Zealand and southern UK, and they are a native of southern Europe/Canary Islands with plenty of heat in summer and winter warmth. Outside of deep southern and coastal areas you won't find CIDP's surviving in North America's eastern areas.
Ha, you're the same person who said butias can't grow in the inland deep south, CIDPs can survive along the coastal plain which extends far inland. I posted a pic of a large one here in Augusta but you people just ignore contradictory evidence, just yesterday I drove by a yard with 3 nice looking CIPDs here(and I saw another yard with 3 large queen palms). And of course butias are probably the most planted palm in people's yards here, in my neigbhorhood there's like 5 or 6 large ones in some yards.
I spoke to a guy from Texas recently and he said he saw CIDPs survive -2(with ice and snow)as long as they were mature, it was washingtonias that were more likely to be killed he told me.
So what, there's deciduous bald cypress forests all throughout Florida, bet you'd people would say it was a sub arctic cesspool by that.
Huntsville going into Tennessee is transitioning into a mixed forest biome(but still not what you'd see in New England), the entire coastal plain, going hundreds of miles inland, is dominated by pine forest. The historical range of the long leaf pine forest goes all the way into northern Alabama, it's only a few counties below Huntsville.
I read an old post by the Tom77falcons guy where he tried to contrast Columbia with Charleston, he found a pic with people wearing winter jackets in Columbia, literally pretending like while it was freezing there Charleston had warm beach weather, what utter bull crap, it's delusional.
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I believe Brisbane and other southerly areas look nice — perhaps you mean the farther north areas up the York Peninsula?
, CIDPs can survive along the coastal plain which extends far inland. I posted a pic of a large one here in Augusta but you people just ignore contradictory evidence, just yesterday I drove by a yard with 3 nice looking CIPDs here(and I saw another yard with 3 large queen palms). And of course butias are probably the most planted palm in people's yards here, in my neigbhorhood there's like 5 or 6 large ones in some yards.
