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In the context of subtropical I'm saying sub0 or 35+ is extreme temps that I could go without. Just in 2022 how many days Tulsa gets those conditions
Jan-23 days
Feb-20 days
Mar-7
Apr -0
May-0
Jun-8
Jul-27 (multiple days with high 40+)
Aug-17
Sep-5(last day over 35 is September 21 with a high of 37)
Oct -2(first freeze Oct18/19...this what I mean how it goes from one extreme to the other)
Nov - 9
Dec - 15
The year in Tulsa ranged temps from -17 to 42. The best months of the year temperature-wise to me are Mar-May, which is why to me it does matter that this is their storm/rainy season because those are the days I would want to be enjoying outdoors the most.
I would also discard days with a mean temp <10, but I didn't factor those into the 2022 count. As someone who prefers 15-30 temperature range with sunny skies, there are many other subtropical climates in the SEUS that perform better than Tulsa
So THAT's what you don't like about Tulsa! I don't like the freak October 18 frost either, cut my first frost monitoring back about 2 1/2 weeks.
Sounds like your cup of tea in the Southeast would be the I-4 corridor in Central Florida like Orlando or Daytona Beach. South Texas (ie: Corpus Christi) also fills the bill temperature wise but is quite a bit cloudier.
So THAT's what you don't like about Tulsa! I don't like the freak October 18 frost either, cut my first frost monitoring back about 2 1/2 weeks.
Sounds like your cup of tea in the Southeast would be the I-4 corridor in Central Florida like Orlando or Daytona Beach. South Texas (ie: Corpus Christi) also fills the bill temperature wise but is quite a bit cloudier.
Yes my interpalm zone from Palm Coast to Palm Beach is my ideal continental US climate, although of course this gets into tropical climates in the southern edge of it. I probably most prefer the parts just outside the tropics (Palm Bay, keeping with the theme ) is pretty ideal for me with slight seasonality and some occasional coolish winter nights to break up the year. Being coastal makes a big difference here to avoid both the sub0 as well as the 35+ days. I am sure there are climates in this zone which have some years with 0 days outside the treshold. there are surely some in coastal California which also meets that criteria. I think I like just barely subtropical parts of the interpalm zone climate more than say a San Diego though because of the more frequent 25-30 temps although although SD is certainly very nice.
Another thing about the warm winter lows of the Southeast I mentioned is that they seem not very often discussed here save for Yn0hTnA.
I think they're way too overlooked for how remarkable they are, in the case of my favorite quintessential Dallas for example the normal January maximum low is 15+ Celsius at Love Field alone. That's even warmer than the average January HIGH and is the straight up summer lows of a quintessential Dfa/Dfb humid continental climate like Oshawa.
Will have to look up other cities, I expect coastal cities (like Charleston) might even best Dallas in this regard, and places like the Outer Banks could do even better. Straight up impressive if you ask me.
Bilbao, Spain has reached 15c January lows the past couple of years. More typically it seems to hit 12 or 13 as the highest low for the month though. The 15 lows there are impressive because it's a fairly tepid climate and their summer average lows are only 15 in July and August.
The past few years the warm winter days tends to be rainy (at least in Atlanta) and those days the low and high are usually similar to each other. Some years there is no warm patches in Jan but other months there are, seems to often be warm patches early in the month.
Atlanta's highest min for Jan
2023- 17 is already forecast for tonight with high 20 and storms
2022- 20
2021- 14
2020- 16
2019- 14
2018- 12
2017- 16
2016 - 9
2015- 9
2014- 9
2013 - 16
Bilbao, Spain has reached 15c January lows the past couple of years. More typically it seems to hit 12 or 13 as the highest low for the month though. The 15 lows there are impressive because it's a fairly tepid climate and their summer average lows are only 15 in July and August.
The past few years the warm winter days tends to be rainy (at least in Atlanta) and those days the low and high are usually similar to each other. Some years there is no warm patches in Jan but other months there are, seems to often be warm patches early in the month.
Atlanta's highest min for Jan
2023- 17 is already forecast for tonight with high 20 and storms
2022- 20
2021- 14
2020- 16
2019- 14
2018- 12
2017- 16
2016 - 9
2015- 9
2014- 9
2013 - 16
I dunno about Bilbao since I'm not familiar with non-North American climates. But yeah, lately the warm Southeast days have been rainy or at least overcast.
More than just Atlanta. Places like Dothan, Tallahassee, Alexandria, Gainesville, Lake Charles, Lafayette, etc have had extremely warm 20+C winter nights because of it and low diurnal ranges in the single digits C, such as just this past January and February.
Presumably if the trend continues it will really bump up the 2001-2030 normals' winter lows.
I wonder how old it is. Historical streetview shows it was there in at least 2017, but not sure if it was there in 2015 when we got the worst cold in decades - the streetviews from 2014 and earlier only have the rhodos visible, so not sure if they were obscuring a baby magnolia or if it was not yet there.
February 2015 is enough of a barometer month that if it survived that, it should be able to survive here. It did survive winter 2017-2018 though which was no slouch itself.
I wonder how old it is. Historical streetview shows it was there in at least 2017, but not sure if it was there in 2015 when we got the worst cold in decades - the streetviews from 2014 and earlier only have the rhodos visible, so not sure if they were obscuring a baby magnolia or if it was not yet there.
February 2015 is enough of a barometer month that if it survived that, it should be able to survive here. It did survive winter 2017-2018 though which was no slouch itself.
Unrelated to the tree but the 2019-20 winter and this past winter are around what's normal for Oakville, right? USDA zone 6a.
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) is pretty ideal for me with slight seasonality and some occasional coolish winter nights to break up the year. Being coastal makes a big difference here to avoid both the sub0 as well as the 35+ days. I am sure there are climates in this zone which have some years with 0 days outside the treshold. there are surely some in coastal California which also meets that criteria. I think I like just barely subtropical parts of the interpalm zone climate more than say a San Diego though because of the more frequent 25-30 temps although although SD is certainly very nice.
