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Old 03-12-2013, 08:06 AM
 
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Well, if they're based on Census data, at some point you'll be able to access that and do your own calculations.
That is the problem. CT could do what the census does and just make things up based off his goals. So could you. The only difference between us making stuff up and them is they get the 'official' government seal but at the end of the day it is just data they manipulated.
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Old 03-12-2013, 08:35 AM
 
Location: West Virginia
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Well, if they're based on Census data, at some point you'll be able to access that and do your own calculations.
Don't confuse him with the facts. Next, he'll probably tell you they made up the data to fit their predestined conclusions.
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Old 03-12-2013, 08:51 AM
 
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Don't confuse him with the facts. Next, he'll probably tell you they made up the data to fit their predestined conclusions.
The actual numbers are somewhat accurate.

The designations are things they just make up. There are no facts. If 100 people live in an area and the census counts 87 you have a close approx of just rae numbers. How you want to manipulate those 88 people is not fact. I could break them into 88 different areas, group them in one, etc.

I don't see what is so hard to grasp about this.
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Old 03-12-2013, 09:15 AM
 
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Whoa... just noticed that Parkersburg MSA lost Washington County, OH (Marietta), which was split off into its own micropolitan area. Parkersburg MSA and Marietta micro combine for a CSA. Still... that's a huge population hit for Parkersburg MSA... which lost over 60k residents... about 40% of the MSA.

So here's the rankings of the updated West Virginia MSAs and micropolitan areas (only the ones where primary city is located in WV)... using Census 2010 populations

1. Huntington MSA 364k
2. Charleston MSA 227k
3. Wheeling MSA 147k
4. Morgantown MSA 130k
5. Weirton MSA 125k
6. Beckley MSA 125k
7. Bluefield micro 107k
8. Clarksburg micro 94k
9. Parkersburg MSA 93k
10. Fairmont micro 56k
11. Logan micro 37k
12. Elkins micro 29k
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Old 03-12-2013, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Western Pennsylvania
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The actual numbers are somewhat accurate.

The designations are things they just make up. There are no facts. ...
No. The designations are determined by a published methodology (which has been used for many years).

The counties containing the core urban area are known as the central counties of the CBSA. Additional surrounding counties (known as outlying counties) can be included in the CBSA if these counties have strong social and economic ties to the central counties as measured by commuting and employment.

CSBA = Core Based Statistical Area. Cabell (Huntington) and Kanawha (Charleston) Counties are the core counties in this case.

Outlying counties are included in the CBSA if the employment interchange measure (total of in commuting and out commuting) is 25% or more, although these numbers are estimates, and exceptions are made.

My suspicion (guess) is that, in Lincoln and Putnam, the commuting patterns have changed just enough so that the EIM now favors Huntington, and so those counties have been shifted from the Charleston MSA to the Huntington MSA.

MSA definitions (boundaries) are intended to be dynamic, changing to reflect changes in housing and employment patterns.

Quoted text from Wikipedia.
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Old 03-12-2013, 09:23 AM
 
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No. The designations are determined by a published methodology (which has been used for many years).

The counties containing the core urban area are known as the central counties of the CBSA. Additional surrounding counties (known as outlying counties) can be included in the CBSA if these counties have strong social and economic ties to the central counties as measured by commuting and employment.

CSBA = Core Based Statistical Area. Cabell (Huntington) and Kanawha (Charleston) Counties are the core counties in this case.

Outlying counties are included in the CBSA if the employment interchange measure (total of in commuting and out commuting) is 25% or more, although these numbers are estimates, and exceptions are made.

My suspicion (guess) is that, in Lincoln and Putnam, the commuting patterns have changed just enough so that the EIM now favors Huntington, and so those counties have been shifted from the Charleston MSA to the Huntington MSA.

MSA definitions (boundaries) are intended to be dynamic, changing to reflect changes in housing and employment patterns.

Quoted text from Wikipedia.
Again no. Per Tim's own link they admitted they can, and do change the methodology. Their is no consistent methodology and it often changes completely every few years. The methodology doesn't have to be based on any logic, it is literally what they can come up. So yes there is made up methodology behind this designed in a way to present the data how they want. It is a fancy way of saying, 'we make stuff up.'
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Old 03-12-2013, 09:24 AM
 
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Whoa... just noticed that Parkersburg MSA lost Washington County, OH (Marietta), which was split off into its own micropolitan area. Parkersburg MSA and Marietta micro combine for a CSA. Still... that's a huge population hit for Parkersburg MSA... which lost over 60k residents... about 40% of the MSA.

So here's the rankings of the updated West Virginia MSAs and micropolitan areas (only the ones where primary city is located in WV)... using Census 2010 populations

1. Huntington MSA 364k
2. Charleston MSA 227k
3. Wheeling MSA 147k
4. Morgantown MSA 130k
5. Weirton MSA 125k
6. Beckley MSA 125k
7. Bluefield micro 107k
8. Clarksburg micro 94k
9. Parkersburg MSA 93k
10. Fairmont micro 56k
11. Logan micro 37k
12. Elkins micro 29k
Those are nice made up figures.
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Old 03-12-2013, 09:46 AM
 
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Those are nice made up figures.
Morgantown MSA is now the 4th largest in West Virginia... surpassing Parkersburg!
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Old 03-12-2013, 09:49 AM
 
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Morgantown MSA is now the 4th largest in West Virginia... surpassing Parkersburg!
Kinda.

Fairmont and clarksburg along with Morgantown are really one area. It should be around 280k on just the WV side. On the PA side Much bigger.

Also Wierton ans Wheeling should be one area.
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Old 03-12-2013, 09:52 AM
 
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Weirton is now part of the Pittsburgh CSA... it is more entwined with the Pittsburgh economy than the Wheeling economy.
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