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When I hustled, I picked jobs where I didn't have the skills so I could learn them... not drive for uber with a skill I already have
In theory, this is how upward career progression should work. In reality, it can often work the opposite of that. Some employers seem to only want to hire lateral moving workers, rather than workers trying to move up to the next logical level in their career. 100% of career progression entails getting hired for a position that you're not entirely proficient in yet.
The key is to be able to find a hiring manager who is willing to allow you to grow into the position, as they likely did before they arrived where they are at now.
Bottom line: there is a ceiling to career growth, and upward mobility, likely due to an abundance of over-qualified, high-end workers and not enough high end jobs. In my experience thus far, it was far easier finding and getting offers on those $30k/yr jobs than there are the $70k+/yr jobs. It starts to become a lot more competitive as you try to climb up the ladder.
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I'm curious.
If minimum wage was raised by $5 (which is about 50% what it is now), what about all those who are making $15 an hour now with college degrees in entry level specialized positions? They won't get a $7.50/hour raise. They will be making the same as those in positions that do not require special skills or education. Is this fair?
I'm very open to hearing differing opinions without getting into an argument.
What do you think YOU'RE worth?
I'd like this to be an open discussion with no attacks or party-blaming (dems/reps)
In the current economy at about $9-10 an hour as minimum wage, I'd say I'm probably worth $21 an hour.. With a specialized masters and a license to practice therapy. Second year out of school.
I don't think you're worth $21/hr, maybe $14...just my opinion.
I'm curious.
If minimum wage was raised by $5 (which is about 50% what it is now), what about all those who are making $15 an hour now with college degrees in entry level specialized positions? They won't get a $7.50/hour raise. They will be making the same as those in positions that do not require special skills or education. Is this fair?
I'm very open to hearing differing opinions without getting into an argument.
What do you think YOU'RE worth?
I'd like this to be an open discussion with no attacks or party-blaming (dems/reps)
In the current economy at about $9-10 an hour as minimum wage, I'd say I'm probably worth $21 an hour.. With a specialized masters and a license to practice therapy. Second year out of school.
If I'm cooking, I'm not worth much. I'm worth slightly more than 0 if I'm baking, but again, not worth much. Because I'm not good at it. Yet I may pay very good money to eat at a master chef's restaurant.
If I'm sacking your groceries, I like to think I can do it well, but that doesn't mean that value to the end customer is realized. I think they go to the grocery store because the food is there, parking is there, prices are reasonable and a speedy checkout with well packed bags may be further down the line. I, like many others, was good at it.
When I get an appointment with a world class surgeon, I'm not expecting much from their front desk. We all know I'm there for the surgeon, not the magazines or the warm greeting. It's appreciated, but the converse (lovely greeting vs poor surgeon) isn't going to cut it. It's a high value occupation, but one I couldn't do.
For me, I'm worth the most to you as an accountant or an auditor. I never saw myself as one growing up, but I realized that was what was the most in-demand when I was close to entering the workforce. Automation and outsourcing will continue to reduce some of this demand, but all companies need us.
I think I'd be best at being a musician and composing music, but I didn't see people paying the value and it looked like a risky proposition.
That was the choice I made. Forgo something I'm fond of in lieu of something others needed. Bagging groceries was stress free, being a musician didn't pay on regular intervals but accounting did. That was my choice.
When you start confusing a minimum wage with a living wage, you go against supply and demand. Minimum wages should be increased over time, because it helps spur innovation. Making it a living wage....that's different. We need low wage jobs to help people get started when they are young, or to compensate for limited abilities. It's up to the individual from there to determine if that's good enough or if they are going to strive for something more. Make the bottom too pleasant, and nobody will want to make the sacrifice needed to do the hard jobs that take additional training, have additional stress and are difficult or unpleasant.
The worst thing that could have happened to me was have that first bagging position pay me $20 an hour. Who's to say I wouldn't have just said....you know, that's good enough. I don't need to do more and I'll be fine.
You are missing the point completely. The point is wages have gone up too slowly for the last 40+ years and have not kept up with inflation at all. One wage earner used to be able to support a family. When that stopped working, we spent on credit and put women to work. It's reaching critical mass now because so many decent jobs disappeared and we have no one left in the family unit to put to work.
In theory, this is how upward career progression should work. In reality, it can often work the opposite of that. Some employers seem to only want to hire lateral moving workers, rather than workers trying to move up to the next logical level in their career. 100% of career progression entails getting hired for a position that you're not entirely proficient in yet.
The key is to be able to find a hiring manager who is willing to allow you to grow into the position, as they likely did before they arrived where they are at now.
Bottom line: there is a ceiling to career growth, and upward mobility, likely due to an abundance of over-qualified, high-end workers and not enough high end jobs. In my experience thus far, it was far easier finding and getting offers on those $30k/yr jobs than there are the $70k+/yr jobs. It starts to become a lot more competitive as you try to climb up the ladder.
Are $70K jobs really becoming more and more scarce? Wonder if there are sources to indicate this. I've long suspected that many MW workers simply can't just "better themselves" when if there are only that many jobs, then only a fraction of them can move on to something better. Job creation (the good ones) don't seem to have kept up with the joneses.
In my experience thus far, it was far easier finding and getting offers on those $30k/yr jobs than there are the $70k+/yr jobs. It starts to become a lot more competitive as you try to climb up the ladder.
Add a zero to those numbers and I'd agree with you. What industry are you in where a $70K/year job is high-end?
Where did you pull up this piece of misinformation? From your posting history, I surmise that by “marketable skill” you mean STEM degree, and it is simply not true. That all Germans graduate with STEM degrees.
Even I’d you mean something else, your assertion has not been proven, nor have you provided th3 smallest bit of evidence for this.
Actually, S1alker is right, but not in the way you assume. Germany has trade schools, and if their students aren't going into a their equivalent of a college degree, they are tracked into a trade. So when German students graduate, they either have a degree to get a well paying job or the skills to get a well paying job.
That's what S1alker means by having a marketable skill.
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Add a zero to those numbers and I'd agree with you. What industry are you in where a $70K/year job is high-end?
Someone here on CD told me that in San Jose, if you are "only" making $80,000 a year, that will qualify you to get on Section 8.
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