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Absolutely, I am wasting time on CDF. I have no problem admitting that. But once again, I'm not the one claiming to the masses that I'm worth more than professional educators because my output is somehow more meaningful.
There are certain professions that deserve to be paid more than teachers... a doctor for example... someone who saves someone's life.
it is the teachers who are on their high horses... not other people.
I am not a doctor but teachers don't automatically deserve more b/c they teach children.
There are people who risk their lives every single day that deserve to be paid a lot more than teachers (firefighters are one) and aren't... you don't hear firefighters whining.
Teachers are very needed and important no doubt but they are FAR from the most important profession out there.
There are certain professions that deserve to be paid more than teachers... a doctor for example... someone who saves someone's life.
it is the teachers who are on their high horses... not other people.
I am not a doctor but teachers don't automatically deserve more b/c they teach children.
There are people who risk their lives every single day that deserve to be paid a lot more than teachers (firefighters are one) and aren't... you don't hear firefighters whining.
Teachers are very needed and important no doubt but they are FAR from the most important profession out there.
Do you know what a Straw Man fallacy is? You should look it up. Because that's what this is an attempt at.
People get promotions in different fields because they’re shifting to an entirely different set of expectations and work. They may have many people reporting to them and they must organize these people to achieve moving objectives.
Mrs. 4th grade teacher is teaching and operating MOSTLY the same in year 4 as year 10. Sure they’re a little better after gaining experience, but there’s no massive change to the economic value that they’re generating. I seriously wonder why you think there should be some massive promotion adjustment.
Is that unfair or a flaw? Or just an economic reality and ceiling built into the job?
I’m stilL waiting for a rational, non emotion laced answer to this.
Yes, I'm also a journalist and that's why I'm here.
I noticed how you conveniently ignored HokieFan's inquiry about what it is you do and how much you make.
I don't believe you. I believe that you're here wasting company time on the Internet while you bash professional educators for whining about their workloads and pay. The irony is rich.
Both yours and thatsright's arguments are pathetic, weak, hypocritical, and disingenuous. You should be ashamed that you're here playing around on the web while mocking an entire profession and the legitimate concerns that are facing it.
I’m not mocking teachers. As I already explained, I’m not stealing time.
But it’s funny you should use all those terms. Pathetic. Weak. Ashamed.disengenius.
That’s very typical in the teacher debate. It always disintegrates into saying we hate the children or hate education. I looked pretty objectively at WHY the teaching profession isn’t paid like Other professions. Sorry, you can’t be objective.
I’m not mocking teachers. As I already explained, I’m not stealing time.
But it’s funny you should use all those terms. Pathetic. Weak. Ashamed.disengenius.
That’s very typical in the teacher debate. It always disintegrates into saying we hate the children or hate education. I looked pretty objectively at WHY the teaching profession isn’t paid Other professions.
You absolutely have not. You've ignored the fact that teacher's salaries are not dictated by the free market. Their salaries are dictated by voting measures and statutory funding. That IS NOT the free market.
Even with the teacher shortages which I have provided evidence of, they cannot throw money at teachers due to budgetary restrictions (because that's how supply and demand works). Alternatively, they've loosened up the requirements to become a teacher.
In states like MA, where they apparently value education and educators, they pay them well. The outcome is the best educational system in the United States.
Admit the fact that you have no idea what you're talking about. You're not an educator. You're not close to the field of education. You're merely a random guy looking from the outside in who has based his opinions on ignorance and fallacy.
Barriers to entry, deferred compensation in the form of pension, hours aren’t the same as other professions, difficulty of material isnt as hard as other professions.
What does her choosing a school that cost $80,000 have to do with her pay?
What kind of certificate? Is it even valued in the market?
Why is she significantly under the average pay in her state with 20 years experience? Is she in any way responsible for that?
Can she walk out the door and get more elsewhere? If not, how is she underpaid?
You're stealing your company's time by being here arguing about how little value educators are to society. They're paying you to produce during normal business hours.
You're stealing your company's time by being here arguing about how little value educators are to society. They're paying you to produce during normal business hours.
I didn’t say educators don’t have value to society. Try again though. You’re so biased and angry about it that you literally have zero objectivity.
know the difference between economic value and societal value.
I didn’t say educators don’t have value to society. Try again though. You’re so biased and angry about it that you literally have zero objectivity.
know the difference between economic value and societal value.
Ive yet to see your answer to post #103.
I already responded to that in post # 70. I'm not going to repeat myself.
You also don't seem to comprehend that a teacher's economic worth is not regulated by the normal supply/demand conditions of the general labor market. Their salaries are regulated by voters and state budgets.
It's like the equivalent of driving through Detroit on crumbling infrastructure and arguing that the economic value of maintaining roads dictates that they should be crumbling. No, the lack of tax revenues dictate that they should be crumbling.
While a teacher's salary issue is a legit concern, posting it on FB is perhaps opening the door for even more criticism, depending on how bad the situation is.
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