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This is one of the most absurd comments on this entire thread. I realize you are probably referring to this idea existing, and not actually believing it yourself. But still, that’s ridiculous that people think that way.
You are correct. I do not concur with the notion, but it exists.
Because if you had, you would know that teachers don't get paid for having summers off. I suppose it could be intentional lying, rather than ignorance, but I chose to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Because teaching is the most secure job out there. You think there is job security in corporate America? Hell no. So teachers b*tch & moan about the pay, lets not forget about the pensions, job security, summers off everyone else ISN’T getting.
Youre making it out like teaching is a horrible profession. It’s not.
Many private workers would KILL for job security & pensions.
I'm making it out like teaching is a horrible profession? I'm not the one who said that teachers need to "better their situation." What are you talking about?
Thank you for answering my question, though. It explains a lot.
I'm not sure where she falls on this scale and how it equates figuring the step and grade.
Thanks for posting this. From what I can make out, it looks like the district has performance-based pay. if she is only making the base salary, she must not be much of a performer. That's on her.
I have heard this before but it is not supported by the data. Even 40+ years ago teachers, particularly secondary teachers, were regularly in the highest IQ by profession.
It's not about the hours worked. We all occasionally work longer hours.
The point is that you and I can get years of experience and additional education and see our salaries jump majorly by jumping ship or getting a promotion. When I complete my Master's, I expect my salary to jump by $20k, if not more.
Teacher's do not get promotions in that sense. They may get a $5k pay bump after getting a Master's degree. That is it. In Texas, where my fiance started, teachers are not even allowed to negotiate on salary at all. Even here in Colorado, you have very little room to negotiate on salary. Once you're in a specific pay band, that's it. So your performance and hard work mean absolutely nothing in the profession. No matter what she does, or how well she performs, she will get her 2% COLA and that is it. Oh, and next year, apparently they're not even getting COLAs.
My sister was a special ed teacher in Denver Colorado with a Phd.
She began her job at the age of 28 and retired at the age of 58 with a $60,000 pension with medical. She was pissed that she had to pay $300 a month for a Cadillac policy.
She was quite adamant for her reasons for going into teaching. All the time off. She took Special Ed since it paid more.
Yes, she complained about all the work she had to do, however, I always found that suspect given her reasons for entering the teaching field.
A pension of $60,000. Not bad.
I now substitute teach. I get paid $12.75 an hour, no benefits. In an inner city school system. It is my part time retirement job. Don't feel sorry for me. I know I am there for all the time off too. Anyhoo, not much teaching gets done anyway due to the discipline issues that have to be addressed continually.
Just the other day one of my students stuffed his pants with paper towels to augment his manliness. Porn star big. He did it just for me and, of course, for the titillation of his peers.
My sister said she got out at 58 because that type of behavior was becoming rampant. I think she just wanted out. Her school was in a high wage suburban setting.
My sister was a special ed teacher in Denver Colorado with a Phd.
She began her job at the age of 28 and retired at the age of 58 with a $60,000 pension with medical. She was pissed that she had to pay $300 a month for a Cadillac policy.
She was quite adamant for her reasons for going into teaching. All the time off. She took Special Ed since it paid more.
Yes, she complained about all the work she had to do, however, I always found that suspect given her reasons for entering the teaching field.
A pension of $60,000. Not bad.
Is this the norm though? I don’t have overall statistics off hand, but I know that if I were to retire today and kept my same health plan, I would be paying more than twice that amount for an individual. The state pension would provide ~50% of the highest three years average which would be less than $60k. Of course these are specific examples being cited and I don’t know what good that does. Salaries, healthcare costs, pensions, etc. are going to vary.
Your irreverence and ignorance towards the profession and the issues undermining quality education in this country. The fact that you are here belittling an entire profession while you waste your company's time and money on CDF.
I hate that I'm limited in how much rep I'm allowed to bestow upon you.
That would probably take around $1,200,000 to $1,500,000 in 401k to provide $60,000 of real return with a 4% drawdown over 30 years at a 30/70 allocation.
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My sister was a special ed teacher in Denver Colorado with a Phd.
She began her job at the age of 28 and retired at the age of 58 with a $60,000 pension with medical. She was pissed that she had to pay $300 a month for a Cadillac policy.
She was quite adamant for her reasons for going into teaching. All the time off. She took Special Ed since it paid more.
Yes, she complained about all the work she had to do, however, I always found that suspect given her reasons for entering the teaching field.
A pension of $60,000. Not bad.
I now substitute teach. I get paid $12.75 an hour, no benefits. In an inner city school system. It is my part time retirement job. Don't feel sorry for me. I know I am there for all the time off too. Anyhoo, not much teaching gets done anyway due to the discipline issues that have to be addressed continually.
Just the other day one of my students stuffed his pants with paper towels to augment his manliness. Porn star big. He did it just for me and, of course, for the titillation of his peers.
My sister said she got out at 58 because that type of behavior was becoming rampant. I think she just wanted out. Her school was in a high wage suburban setting.
Nuff said.
Having read the post above, I can see the current paradigm of brick and mortar schools shifting towards online classes in the near future. I think the benefits of this change will far outweigh the drawbacks. One major benefit is that the teacher wouldn't have to deal with continuously disruptive kids and could focus more on curriculum and presentation for the kids who give a damn. Many kids at school aren't there to learn, they're there to be babysat in a social setting. Traditional education has no value to them. Look at the kids who ditched to protest and went on to ransack a Walmart instead. Geez. And of course, teachers or lack of funding are always blamed for the students' poor performance as if throwing more effort or money at kids who don't care is suddenly going to make them care. Give me a break. There is always some scapegoat other than the effort the student is willing to expend to learn.
And then there's Ballou High School in the metro DC area where teachers and principal graduated the entire 2017 senior class even though a great many of them couldn't even read their diplomas. They got caught and this year, they estimate they are graduating 19% of seniors. 19%. Let that sink in.
This folds into other threads where the question is how are we going to fully fund retirements for people. The current system which refuses to stigmatize students with the truth are creating people that not only will never be able to save for retirement, but will be a burden on society writ large. This burden could be crime or it could be welfare or it could be the only jobs they could ever hold are unskilled labor that politicians and unions are trying to conflate with skilled labor. It's quite a mess.
You don't need a new system. You need people with a sense of responsibility and a willingness to work and participate in developing their own future and to some degree, the future of the larger society. Laziness and entitlement are not going to work going forward.
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