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Old 10-20-2021, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Ontario, NY
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Originally Posted by biafra4life View Post
Supposedly employers are unable to find people to work, even after raising wages.
There's not a shortage of workers, there's a shortage of workers willing to accept jobs that pay lousy. The Stimulus checks have allowed people the opportunity to find something better. At the very least it forcing businesses to raise wages, which interestingly enough is something they claimed they couldn't afford to do if minimum wages are raised to $15 a hour, now they are offering more than $15 a hour and offering signing bonuses, i guess they could really afford to pay those wages after all, they were just too cheap to do so.
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Old 10-20-2021, 02:14 PM
 
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Really?

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-cou...f-stem-workers

https://www.emerson.com/en-us/news/c...18-stem-survey

https://www.aip.org/fyi/2019/panel-w...ply-challenges

They've been saying we have a "STEM shortage" for a long time. They're pushing an agenda to get more visas.

Worker shortage today is much more broad than specific STEM educated and skilled workers.
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Old 10-20-2021, 02:33 PM
 
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Worker shortage today is much more broad than specific STEM educated and skilled workers.
The context was facebook rejecting US talent in favor of visa holders - STEM jobs.

We don't have a worker shortage when visas are being abused like this.

Do you SERIOUSLY believe they stopped doing this? Miraculously, they want to hire Americans?

If there was truly a worker shortage in career jobs, there would be no catch-22.

Mcjobs have a shortage because they pay squat, management treats them badly, and career employers don't count Mcjobs for work experience requirements for entry level jobs.
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Old 10-20-2021, 02:48 PM
 
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The context was facebook rejecting US talent in favor of visa holders - STEM jobs.

We don't have a worker shortage when visas are being abused like this.

Do you SERIOUSLY believe they stopped doing this? Miraculously, they want to hire Americans?

If there was truly a worker shortage in career jobs, there would be no catch-22.

Mcjobs have a shortage because they pay squat, management treats them badly, and career employers don't count Mcjobs for work experience requirements for entry level jobs.
How many have you hired within the last ten years from STEM PhD to burger flipper?
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Old 10-20-2021, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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That's good. Very rare to find employers who don't enforce a catch-22 for career jobs.
I know. Nobody ever hires anyone. Nobody has a job above entry level (oops, those don't exist!) because of the catch-22.

Blah, blah, blah. This is the most boring broken record on the face of the earth.
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Old 10-20-2021, 02:56 PM
 
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How many have you hired within the last ten years from STEM PhD to burger flipper?
I'm not in a position to hire.

If there is a "worker shortage" - the workers are the last to know about it.

Employers still enforce the catch-22 for career jobs. Recent grads and career changers are hit by this.
If there was a "worker shortage" we'd see employers saying "we hire people with zero experience for entry level jobs" - that's not happening.

Mcjobs still pay squat, and management treats employees badly. No wonder people quit! These always have high turnover. This is normal.

Those who are highly experienced in in-demand fields, those are ALWAYS quitting and moving on to higher paying jobs. This is normal.

These two normal things that happen has been hyped into the stratosphere to mean "we have a worker shortage"


When 91% of recent grads can't find a role in their field, there is no worker shortage.
When a guy applies for 60 Mcjobs and couldn't find a job, there is no worker shortage.
When companies sets aside roles to hire visa holders instead of hiring one of the hundreds of Americans applying, there is no worker shortage.
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Old 10-20-2021, 03:00 PM
 
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I know. Nobody ever hires anyone.
Never said that.

Mcjobs and sales jobs hire people with no experience.

Experienced people get hired all the time.

91% of recent grads? No job for them. They don't have experience. You pretend that issue does not exist.

Career changers get hit by the catch-22. You pretend that issue does not exist.


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Nobody has a job above entry level (oops, those don't exist!) because of the catch-22.
The only jobs out there are those which are above entry level for career jobs. They all require work experience.

There are no job openings for career jobs that require no experience, except sales and Mcjobs.

So, do you have a solution to the catch-22 or are you just trolling?
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Old 10-20-2021, 03:03 PM
 
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So one guy applied to a bunch of jobs and didn't get hired and that's all the data you need to make a conclusion on this topic: one data point?
Yes, and label it fake news. The Riddler, The Penguin and Mr. Freeze have gotten together and decided to spread so-called Fake news. They have nothing to gain from doing this, just to cause trouble.
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Old 10-20-2021, 03:05 PM
 
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Yea it's the same story. Businesses struggle to hire because they are incompetent at hiring. I haven't been searching but a few months ago a threw a few apps out and saw the same old story. Poor pay, inflated job requirements, unresponsive companies, and flaky HR bimbos.
The job descriptions are strange too. It's like they take three jobs and role it into one requirement. The problem is, either no one wants the job or a person who qualifies for it doesn't exist.
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Old 10-20-2021, 03:17 PM
 
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I'm not in a position to hire.

If there is a "worker shortage" - the workers are the last to know about it.

Employers still enforce the catch-22 for career jobs. Recent grads and career changers are hit by this.
If there was a "worker shortage" we'd see employers saying "we hire people with zero experience for entry level jobs" - that's not happening.

Mcjobs still pay squat, and management treats employees badly. No wonder people quit! These always have high turnover. This is normal.

Those who are highly experienced in in-demand fields, those are ALWAYS quitting and moving on to higher paying jobs. This is normal.

These two normal things that happen has been hyped into the stratosphere to mean "we have a worker shortage"


When 91% of recent grads can't find a role in their field, there is no worker shortage.
When a guy applies for 60 Mcjobs and couldn't find a job, there is no worker shortage.
When companies sets aside roles to hire visa holders instead of hiring one of the hundreds of Americans applying, there is no worker shortage.
How about replacing some of your retoric with reality?
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