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Old 07-01-2009, 03:12 AM
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Why does the unemployment situation seem to get pushed under the table??? Without job recovery, all other government stimulus will fail to get us out of this mess that we're in . What will it take to get MAJOR JOB CREATION in the us????

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/27/op..._r=2&th&emc=th

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One of the great stories you’ll be hearing over the next couple of years will be about the large number of Americans who were forced out of work in this recession and remained unable to find gainful employment after the recession ended. We’re basically in denial about this.

There are now more than five unemployed workers for every job opening in the United States. The ranks of the poor are growing, welfare rolls are rising and young American men on a broad front are falling into an abyss of joblessness.
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Old 07-01-2009, 05:50 AM
 
Location: Marion, IA
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Less taxes and less regulations. The cap and trade bill they want to pass will be like kicking us when we're down. Especailly to manufacturing which relies heavily on affordable energy. Not to mention the Bush tax cuts of 03 are set to expire next year. Companies big and small are being faced with bigger costs and less revenue. There's no way they can hire workers in that climate. It's time we elected some people that will remove these obstacles instead of put them in front of us.
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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Less taxes and less regulations. The cap and trade bill they want to pass will be like kicking us when we're down. Especailly to manufacturing which relies heavily on affordable energy. Not to mention the Bush tax cuts of 03 are set to expire next year. Companies big and small are being faced with bigger costs and less revenue. There's no way they can hire workers in that climate. It's time we elected some people that will remove these obstacles instead of put them in front of us.
I agree.

Government can't fix anything but they can sure screw it up.
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:21 AM
 
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It will be a long term problem because employers have determined that with technology, outsourcing and greater productivity, three people can do the work that five use to do. As a result there is not the need for as many workers as there are people who want a job. The competition is intense but still most people act like it is 1998 (with a 3% unemployment rate), and spend little effort on their resume, interview skills and job hunting strategy. What a shame!
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Moon Over Palmettos
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Unfortunately, one has to keep reinventing onesself. At the slightest sign of your job being replaceable, people should start learning new skills fast and not wait to get laid off.
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:47 AM
 
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Unfortunately, one has to keep reinventing onesself. At the slightest sign of your job being replaceable, people should start learning new skills fast and not wait to get laid off.
I agree with this, although I'd suggest having two career paths long before the layoff writing is on the wall.
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Old 07-01-2009, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Moon Over Palmettos
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I agree with this, although I'd suggest having two career paths long before the layoff writing is on the wall.
Good suggestion. Better if you can run them in parallel. For example, my resume title is Senior Finance & Project Manager. I could go the finance route, or the PM/Business Analysis/Data Analysis route alternately. Even better if you could cross industries, or go laterally within an industry by going after sectors. I have gone from property & casualty insurance to healthcare insurance to life and voluntary benefits insurance in both capacities including sales.
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Old 07-01-2009, 08:30 AM
 
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Thumbs down We've been down that road before

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Less taxes and less regulations. The cap and trade bill they want to pass will be like kicking us when we're down. Especailly to manufacturing which relies heavily on affordable energy. Not to mention the Bush tax cuts of 03 are set to expire next year. Companies big and small are being faced with bigger costs and less revenue. There's no way they can hire workers in that climate. It's time we elected some people that will remove these obstacles instead of put them in front of us.
Deregulation huh? Gee, we see how well that worked in the banking sector.

The problem with ever increasing productivity is that eventually higher unemployment is bound to follow. The answer would appear upon casual observation to lower birth rates thus over time decreasing the number of people looking for jobs in the first place. The problem with that is that we need more workers to pay for social security so that we’ll be able to continue to pay out that benefit to the Baby Boomers that will retire en mass within the next five to ten years.

To my mind this is why the war in Iraq is so tragic; we spent money we didn’t have to fight a war we didn’t have to when we really should have been dealing with our nations own domestic issues. Respected economists were warning of these problems back in 2001 but for some strange reason nobody wanted to listen….
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Old 07-01-2009, 08:42 AM
 
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It will be a long term problem because employers have determined that with technology, outsourcing and greater productivity, three people can do the work that five use to do. As a result there is not the need for as many workers as there are people who want a job. The competition is intense but still most people act like it is 1998 (with a 3% unemployment rate), and spend little effort on their resume, interview skills and job hunting strategy. What a shame!
Apparently you love to generalize. The only shame is people like you who continue to feed the myth that 'if only' redid' my resume or 'smiled 4.5 times' I would be employed.

There are just far too many people for the jobs. Get that in your HR wanna be head.

Funny I have ALWAYS been told I have an awesome resume. In Sept. I interviewed with an agency I was with to find future jobs. The woman said to me, "Your resume is wonderful."

The thing that happened...the jobs dried up. They have had one job or less in this area in the last 10 months in administration. The same for the other 'agencies.' Suddenly this company is scrambling to stay afloat by offering to push our resumes to the top of the list (despite not having any jobs) if we PAY them to...

Yes, now I can be 'analyzed' as having an 'attitude' which I 'must project' at all interviews so maybe along with these 'nervous ticks' that must be WHY I can't get job...(whatever)...Or maybe it's my pink lipstick instead of light red...or my hair having one strand of grey or my lack of ?????(please insert today's 'reason.')

There is a hiring freeze at nearly every company and agency in the area.

But, I forgot, it must be me, or you other long term unemployed people. WE are the screw ups....

Suddenly I have to dissect every little bit about myself thanks to the lack of jobs that many of us used to do.

So, stop saying, "most people do not do XYZ" like your secret formula is going to bring back the jobs lost to corruption and greed and outsourcing.

I am so sick of people who are unemployed being the whipping boys of the economy.

Go tell those folks who worked for GM that THEY SCREWED UP and sorry, now they do not have jobs but maybe if they 'interview better' they will get jobs or if they 'retool their resumes' they can get hired tomorrow for 'non-existent jobs.'

Now it's time for the 'retort' that I 1) must have an attitude of bitterness I take to interviews (myth 1 of why I cannot get a job) or 2) my lipstick should be pink not red (myth 2) or maybe I fiddled with my watch 1.2 seconds (myth 3) and so on......

I guess the only time this will hit home for people is when THEY are on the unemployment line. Then feel free to apply all awesome advice like "dress nicely" so you can quickly get a new job (which I am sure you will...)

Last edited by GypsySoul22; 07-01-2009 at 08:55 AM.. Reason: be prepared for sarcasm--if you can understand it...
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Old 07-01-2009, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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It's pretty easy to see those who are riding the broken companies down to both of their doom. There are so many workers in Detroit that didn't see the writing on the wall and retrained when they could have had the company pay for it. Now many are out of work with many others of the same skill set, no money to do so, and no jobs even if there wasn't so much competition.

I've done it myself. I was an IT worker out of college and didn't take long for me to realize with the competition around me allowing many companies to pick and choose as well as loosing jobs to other more experienced workers taking anything to keep afloat. I spent about 20 minutes swearing and stomping around. After that I looked up what was hot in demand and good salary then retrained in finance and got my MBA. Having IT skills helped a great deal, but I've loved it every day since...and my skills are still heavily in demand in the recession. I continually look to the future and evaluate what's happening to my industry and my position, retrain certain skills as necessary or bail on where I am and go into something new if needed.

If anyone wants a job, they can train to be a nurse and snapped up in an instant when they graduate (many loans are low cost for that as well). I know in my own company, we are badly battered in one of the top 2 unemployment capitals of the US, but we are still trying like mad to hire more nurses. Employees are even paid to go to nursing school, and with a 2 year contract the education is paid for as well. It's not a great job, but it pays well and will keep people from living under a bridge.
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