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Old 08-28-2009, 08:31 PM
 
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Not to be a smart a$$, but then why do so many asians emigrate to the US and other countries if their country is all of the things that you describe? In every place I've ever visited (even remote places), asians can be found. I agree with you that the United States is not nearly as "free" as some proclaim it to be. What sorts of personal freedoms do the ppl enjoy over there that anericans have given up?
I already wrote a list of some of those freedoms they have they we don't....

You are broadbrushing "Asians" into one big category. Every Asian country is different. Some are poor, like Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Mongolia, Phillipines.

But some are incredibly rich. Japan, Korea, Taiwan. And now China is becoming a wealthy country with a strong middle class.

Most of these "Asians" you see most likely come from the poorer countries. Most of their families probably migrated here 10, 20, 30 years ago or more, when most Asian countries were much more poor. But overall, almost every Asian countries economy has gone through a boom recently, so people aren;t trying to get away like they used to.

Asian immigration to the US has slowed down a lot in recent years. In Korea, Korean people used to really, really want to go to America. The Korean women were always looking for a guy to marry to get into the US. But nowadays, most Korean people would rather just stay in Korea, because the Korean economy became fairly rich, and the US economy is dropping.

Koreans, Chinese, Taiwanese, even a lot of Philipinos are doing very well in their home countries now and are not coming to America like they used to.

Also, most Korean and Chinese people I met would rather go to Canada, Australia, Brazil, or other European countries. A lot has changed in the past 5-10 years. The USA isn't the dreamland it used to be for potential immigrants. They are looking at other countries more.

The USA is gaining a reputation overseas as a crime ridden country in which survival is difficult and health care is awful.

Things are changing fast these days.
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Old 08-28-2009, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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In one post you want government small and off-your-back so anybody can make money, and in another you're supporting government regulation of health care. Which one do you really mean?
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Old 08-28-2009, 09:33 PM
 
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In one post you want government small and off-your-back so anybody can make money, and in another you're supporting government regulation of health care. Which one do you really mean?
I don;t want the government to completely stay out of every single aspect of everything, it is not that black and white. Right now though, the government seems to have too much control in some areas where it should release control. And in other areas, the government has just let things get totally out of control when it should have stepped in.

I don't think in terms of broadbrushing every issue the same way. I don't think the government should just release control of everything, or take control of everything. Each issue is different.

In cases when things are not going smoothly and the economy is not self-correcting, like health care, dentistry, wall street, pharmacueticals, etc. The goverment should step in to straighten things out.

What I want is for the government to work for the people. The government should be the people's servant, instead of being like our Daddy telling us what's what. People want health care, jobs, changes in certain laws, etc. and right now the government is not taking the proper steps to provide these things because they are serving their own interests instead.

They tell us "No we cannot do that" even though the overwhelming majority of Americans want it. That's not how a real democracy operates.

It's all about solving problems individually. Not sticking to a certain political philosophy.
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Old 08-28-2009, 10:55 PM
 
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I am totally broke. I'm in debt. No car. No job. I have almost no money in the bank. As I wait to go overseas, I spend my days eating cheap food, excercising, working on art, and keeping myself busy doing anything that does not cost money.

The only reason why I can go over there is because I found a gig that will pay to fly me out there and set me up in a free apartment. I'm just waiting for the paperwork to go through now.

I applied at about a hundred places in the US with no luck, been unemployed for months. Then I started applying overseas and got hired within two days.
Is it a "teaching english" gig? Just be careful. I have heard of some people getting royally screwed by South Korean companies who never lived up to their bargain once they got over there.
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Old 08-28-2009, 11:03 PM
 
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Nope. I just don't like the government interferring in every aspect of my life and nickel and diming me. I want the freedom to go out and make money any way I choose, instead of relying in big companies and corporations to employ me. I want to live in a society where the people decide the rules, not the government and their lobbying interests.

I believe in the old school American idea of small government and power to the people. Does anyone remember that one anymore?
What do you mean "make money any way I choose"? On one hand, you are arguing FOR less government. On the other hand, you are arguing AGAINST capitalistic corporations. What exactly are you looking for?
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Old 08-29-2009, 12:54 AM
 
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What do you mean "make money any way I choose"? On one hand, you are arguing FOR less government. On the other hand, you are arguing AGAINST capitalistic corporations. What exactly are you looking for?
Like I said in a previous post. It depends on the specific issue. I know that most people have a philosophy like "Socialist", "Libertarian", "Conservative" etc. and they believe that this sysem is good across the board on every issue, but I dont think that's a good way to go.

I am for less government in most social issues. I am for less strict laws in many areas for example.

Economically, overall I think we need the government to step in excercise more control in many areas. I think having a totally free market has proven to be wide open for corruption and out of control inflation. Having a totally free market has allowed costs in many areas to sky rocket, and it has allows mega-corporations to dominate and eliminate small businesses in almost every economic sector.

Basically, I think the governement should step in where it needs to, and step out where it is not needed. And right now in the US, in my opinion, it is doing the opposite in most ways.

The main thing I am is anti-corruption. Anti-lobbyist. Anti-mega corporation. These are the things we need to work on. I don't think I fall into any category so don't confuse yourself by trying categorize my views.

I would love to see the US adopt liberal laws similar to Holland. And economic policies similar to South Korea or perhaps similar to many South American countries.
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Old 08-29-2009, 02:37 AM
 
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Healthcare is not fre anywhere. In most countries the txa burden on all working peopole si much hogher than here.What most talk about is free to them. that certainly is the less governamnt with its hands in hos pockets like he is talking about.Certinly if he is from california that is true because governamnt taxes and fees are very high comapred to most to support that free stuff to some. I personally think the classe have never been so well fed in thsi country lookig at the size of the genral popualtion regurdless if the over eating is bad for their health.Certainly if your willing to taske satndard healthcare from the 50's that would be cheap bu it would also earn a large chance of a short life. I have to laugh when you mention corruption ands south america in teh same breathe. Ever work there for any length of time. What about south Korea;most americans would never be able to stand the long hours and pay there.Greener pastors;we are becomong more like europe as the gap between the classes increases tot eh point that most willlive in teh projects and collect welfare and medicaid.
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Old 08-29-2009, 04:33 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC/ West Palm Beach, FL
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thecaliforniabear,

you sound quite bitter and dissappointed in the direction that our country is headed. It seems that you have done quite some research in the lifestyles, as well as pros and cons of some of the other countries. Before I continue on my other points, good luck in your future endeavors and wherever you decide to move to.

Regardless, of some of the other posters criticism of thecaliforniabear, he does make some valid points. Even though I believe that the US is probably overall one of the best countries in the world based on what I will admit is limited info. With good conscious I cannot say is the BEST if I have not actually lived in the other countries. We definitely have some flaws, and my major problem with this country is health care and supposedly free market.

We have "selective outsourcing" and "selective free market". Greedy corporations laying off millions of americans to open shop in 3rd world countries to exploit their lack of human rights to make huge profit. However, when it comes to pharmaceutical companies and the ability of americans or "LACK OF FREEDOM" for americans to legally purchase prescription drugs from other countries, it is more like a dictatorship, monopoly, and fascist policy that is being enforced in the US.

It is simply amazing that US citizens are basically forced to buy prescription drugs from the US and do not legally have the ability to shop outside of the US and create competition which in turn will lower the cost of medication. Now, Gov. will come up with all kinds of excuses why these laws are in place such as to protect the consumers, being approved by the FDA, blah, blah. That is BS, they really do not care about peoples well being in general. Heck, let citizens sign some type of waiver if they are going to legally purchase drugs outside of the US so our gov. or pharmaceutical industry is not responsible. I am CONVINCED that the reason these policies are in place is due to money and who benefits from such policies, not Americans well being.

I can go on and on, but I will stop for now. Yes, without a doubt, this country is probably better than most countries in the world. Just look at many struggling countries around the world. But it is very egocentric and ignorant to say that it is the best without knowing the ins and outs of other countries nor having the opportunity to live in another country. But you know what, we will always have people who will blindly defend our gov. whether they truly represent the people or not.

I believe that GREED and the spreading of our CAPITALISM around the world is the goal of this country, not spreading DEMOCRACY and FREEDOM.
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Old 08-29-2009, 05:28 AM
 
Location: Stuck in NE GA right now
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I wish the OP a great adventure. Even though I'm now 58 I did look into moving to Canada or my favorite place on earth other than NW USA - New Zealand. But I don't qualify.
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Old 08-29-2009, 05:36 AM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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before I fall any deeper into credit card debt.
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You realize that living in the US is a very tightly controlled lifestyle.
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In the US, we have had a lot of our freedoms taken away, and most people just don't know any better, because they don't know any different.
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I am totally broke. I'm in debt. No car. No job. I have almost no money in the bank. As I wait to go overseas,
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So i'm getting out of here. This country is toast. I left this country once before for a few years, and i'm about to get the F outta here again, before I fall any deeper into credit card debt.
Why is it for every one person that wants to leave the US, there are 10,000 people from China, Russia, the far east, the middle east, Europe, etc that want to come to the US?
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