Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > World Forums > World
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 09-19-2011, 11:59 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
25,947 posts, read 24,749,338 times
Reputation: 9728

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by kevxu View Post
I live in Portugal. I know and have met many Portuguese who have visited the U.S. All of these are adamant that though they enjoyed the sightseeing experience, there is no way they would want to live in the U.S.
Indeed, for most Portuguese the US must be a very cold place in every way, unlike everything they have here, for instance in terms of priorities.

Even for Germans it must be hard. I have read an article on German scholars teaching at US institutions of higher education. After a couple of years many of them want to return to Germany, but can't because there is hardly a way back into the academic circles there once you are gone for a few years. They are trapped in the US.

Still, I think it varies a lot on the region within the US. For Portuguese immigrants, Florida is likely to be a good place, unlike the Midwest.

Many people around the world make the mistake of watching all those funny movies and comedy shows and concluding that is what life must be like in the US.
I will never forget that documentary on African refugees who are stranded in the US and hate it there because people lead such secluded lives and there is little society as such.

 
Old 09-19-2011, 12:00 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
2,866 posts, read 5,243,943 times
Reputation: 3425
Quote:
Originally Posted by wanneroo View Post
Euros grew to expect productive benefits for being unproductive. Worked for a while, but the game is up, as demographically there is not enough working people to pay for people to have rich 40 year retirements and free this and that eating off the public trough. Especially over the next 20 years, Europe is in deep doo doo.

I have a relative that when he lost his job in the Netherlands, he got 90% of his pay for 2 years. Obviously he had no incentive to get another full time job and in fact was allowed to work part time. With his part time pay and 90% of his old salary paid by the government, he actually made more than working full time! Then when the 2 years was up he got another full time job.

Denmark found the same thing, paying people unemployment for 5 years did not encourage them to seek another job.

All that stuff that gets paid out comes from some taxpayer, not a magic tree of money.
And yet the Netherlands has the lowest unemployment rate in Europe, far lower than the US, funny how that works
 
Old 09-19-2011, 12:02 PM
 
6,467 posts, read 8,189,972 times
Reputation: 5515
Quote:
Originally Posted by kevxu View Post
I live in Portugal. I know and have met many Portuguese who have visited the U.S. All of these are adamant that though they enjoyed the sightseeing experience, there is no way they would want to live in the U.S.
That is true. The exception is a cool job in New York City or Los Angeles.
 
Old 09-19-2011, 12:09 PM
 
6,467 posts, read 8,189,972 times
Reputation: 5515
Quote:
Originally Posted by MalaMan View Post
Just do it in the Brazilian way: when Saturday comes, forget you have a job, forget you have a boss, and get an overdosis of samba, cachaça and football during all the weekend. When Monday arrives, you're a renewed person.

Anyway, Brazilian workers have 4-week paid vacation every year, granted by law.
I have got five weeks paid vacation. Three weeks should be a minimum for all regular employees. Working non-stop is not healthy in the long run.
 
Old 09-19-2011, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Fishers, IN
6,485 posts, read 12,537,659 times
Reputation: 4126
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob702 View Post
They want to work to be able to lead a good life and not live to work and that is much easier done in most European countries.
Nobody I know "lives to work." This adage that Europeans work to live and Americans live to work is a BS line Euros use to make themselves feel superior. You have to earn a living somehow, and you have to do it for many years (usually 35-50 years), so you better do something that's worthwhile both in terms of compensation and satisfaction. Thus, Americans put a lot of emphasis on their careers.
 
Old 09-19-2011, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Fishers, IN
6,485 posts, read 12,537,659 times
Reputation: 4126
Quote:
Originally Posted by cmptrwlt View Post
I have got five weeks paid vacation. Three weeks should be a minimum for all regular employees. Working non-stop is not healthy in the long run.
I don't think you'd find one American who disagrees with the last sentence. The philosophical difference comes over whether vacation minimums should be dictated by government or a result of a robust labor market.
 
Old 09-19-2011, 12:16 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
27,571 posts, read 28,673,621 times
Reputation: 25170
Quote:
Originally Posted by Neuling View Post
Many people around the world make the mistake of watching all those funny movies and comedy shows and concluding that is what life must be like in the US.
That's the thing. Why do people form an opinion about life in an entire country based on movies and tv shows? That says more about the people doing it than anything else.

Last edited by BigCityDreamer; 09-19-2011 at 12:38 PM..
 
Old 09-19-2011, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
11,446 posts, read 16,188,106 times
Reputation: 6963
Quote:
Originally Posted by grmasterb View Post
Nobody I know "lives to work." This adage that Europeans work to live and Americans live to work is a BS line Euros use to make themselves feel superior. You have to earn a living somehow, and you have to do it for many years (usually 35-50 years), so you better do something that's worthwhile both in terms of compensation and satisfaction. Thus, Americans put a lot of emphasis on their careers.
A lot of words to say that Americans live to work.
 
Old 09-19-2011, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Fishers, IN
6,485 posts, read 12,537,659 times
Reputation: 4126
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visvaldis View Post
A lot of words to say that Americans live to work.
Not at all. As with other nationalities, Americans have to work to afford necessities and wants. It in no way implies that that work is one of the main goals in life, although work goals are important if one wants to be able to afford more than just the necessities (e.g. travel).

Do you not have any career goals (assuming you're still of working age)?
 
Old 09-19-2011, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Fortaleza, Northeast of Brazil
3,991 posts, read 6,795,905 times
Reputation: 2470
Quote:
Originally Posted by grmasterb View Post
I don't think you'd find one American who disagrees with the last sentence. The philosophical difference comes over whether vacation minimums should be dictated by government or a result of a robust labor market.
It is utterly obvious that it should be dictated by the government. The government is not dictating the maximum, it is dictating the minimum. The employer can feel free to give more time of vacation if he wants...
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Closed Thread


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > World Forums > World

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:33 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top