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Old 10-08-2013, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Odd op, most people on this board seem europhobic rather than europhilic to begin with.

And I doubt any Europeans would want to live in Mississippi instead of Europe, not even the Greek.
I agree, and would go farther. I doubt most Americans would rather live in Mississippi than in Europe. I am not really sure of the purpose of this thread, but how is the GDP (even per capita) the major indicator of well-being or happiness? If the richest top 5 percent of the US are the only people benefiting from it, what difference does it make? Productivity as an indicator of happiness? Chinese factories are productive, but are the workers happy? For the disappearing middle class, wages have been stagnant for 20 years, while the cost of living has gone up. How is working harder for less money a good thing? Prior to now, health insurance has been a huge block to starting your own business or working for yourself, as it is totally tied to employment, so you end up working 50 hours per week to make money for someone else. I'm fond of Europe (which I have visited many times) not because of any 'ancestral longings,' but because of the priorities regarding quality of life and appreciation of culture. What some Americans see as lazy, I see as a preference to have a balanced life, over being a workaholic. Nobody on their deathbed ever said 'I wish I spent more time at the office'.
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Old 10-08-2013, 01:00 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Mississippi has the 2nd lowest immigrant population, just about 2% of the population. Only West Virginia is even less popular with immigrants, at 1.2%.
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Old 10-08-2013, 01:02 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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I agree, and would go farther. I doubt most Americans would rather live in Mississippi than in Europe. I am not really sure of the purpose of this thread, but how is the GDP (even per capita) the major indicator of well-being or happiness? If the richest top 5 percent of the US are the only people benefiting from it, what difference does it make? Productivity as an indicator of happiness? Chinese factories are productive, but are the workers happy? For the disappearing middle class, wages have been stagnant for 20 years, while the cost of living has gone up. How is working harder for less money a good thing? Prior to now, health insurance has been a huge block to starting your own business or working for yourself, as it is totally tied to employment, so you end up working 50 hours per week to make money for someone else. I'm fond of Europe (which I have visited many times) not because of any 'ancestral longings,' but because of the priorities regarding quality of life and appreciation of culture. What some Americans see as lazy, I see as a preference to have a balanced life, over being a workaholic. Nobody on their deathbed ever said 'I wish I spent more time at the office'.
Exactly. Same here. I could easily move to rich Germany and earn many times as much as I do here, but the quality of life is just not the same. The soft properties of life so to speak, things one cannot quantify and buy.
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Old 10-08-2013, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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I'm fond of Europe (which I have visited many times) not because of any 'ancestral longings,' but because of the priorities regarding quality of life and appreciation of culture. What some Americans see as lazy, I see as a preference to have a balanced life, over being a workaholic. Nobody on their deathbed ever said 'I wish I spent more time at the office'.
BINGO. I'm a professor of business, and when I taught in the US, students were always critical of 'lazy Europeans'. My counter was, "should our lives really revolve around making rich people richer"?

I find Europeans more appreciative of whats important in life, and better at maintaining social connections.
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Old 10-08-2013, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Chicago(Northside)
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Google it genius. Are you saying it's okay if just 55 million or so have issues?
lol no, that's not what he's saying you misunderstood him, he just wants him to know how large the American population is relative to people who don't have healthcare. But still having 55 million people without healthcare insurance isn't very good...I wish we could follow maybe another countries healthcare law like Canada, but the problem is our country is so big its hard to get things done.
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Old 10-08-2013, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Chicago(Northside)
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Don't be silly..healthcare and college are never free, even for lazy Euros. They pay for it every year dutifully through sky high mandatory taxes, all that money going into some commie pool which those who die peacefully in their sleep with no health problems don't use at all after paying for it for 40 years lol.

It's a well known fact in the most taxed socialist countries, citizens openly admit that they don't feel the urge to work too hard beyond a certain income bracket because of taxation. One doesn't need to be an Ivy League psych major to wrap their little heads around this logic.
Now lets not be ignorant, I hate it when people generalize a country each individual person is different!
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Old 10-08-2013, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Mississippi has the 2nd lowest immigrant population, just about 2% of the population. Only West Virginia is even less popular with immigrants, at 1.2%.
In addition, it speaks volumes that there are now more Americans emigrating to Mexico than Mexicans emigrating to the US, and there are as many Mexicans leaving as coming here. It is time for us to admit that the US is not really the land of opportunity it has been in the past, and the GDP is not a reflection of the economic reality of most Americans.
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Old 10-08-2013, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Chicago(Northside)
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In addition, it speaks volumes that there are now more Americans emigrating to Mexico than Mexicans emigrating to the US, and there are as many Mexicans leaving as coming here. It is time for us to admit that the US is not really the land of opportunity it has been in the past, and the GDP is not a reflection of the economic reality of most Americans.
Yeah Americans defiantly are not leaving America for a country with a better economy, the people that are leaving are older people who want a place nice to retire and live their...and in numbers America has 300 million people with Mexico not even half that, so yes in terms of numbers but in percentage its a way different story...
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Old 10-08-2013, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Yeah Americans defiantly are not leaving America for a country with a better economy, the people that are leaving are older people who want a place nice to retire and live their...and in numbers America has 300 million people with Mexico not even half that, so yes in terms of numbers but in percentage its a way different story...
Actually, things are picking up a bit in Mexico economically.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/22/wo...anted=all&_r=0
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Old 10-09-2013, 05:07 AM
 
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The U.S. is clearly richer than Western Europe; that's not in dispute.

Anyone with half a brain who has traveled to Europe can tell that people generally have less money and less "stuff".

But there are other ways to measure prosperity besides just money. You can look at public health, safety, quality of life, etc.

So while I agree the U.S., overall, has the advantage, it's closer than one would think than if you just looked at wealth. For example, Europe has excellent transit, and the US, excepting NYC, generally doesn't. So that means the typical family will need two cars in the US, and in Europe, you could get by with just one. There are many other examples that make the conclusions somewhat muddier.

Europe has no resources except people, so everything is used more efficiently.
The US pilfers everything, from space to fuel...and the rackets and lobbies (Insurance, AMA, Rifle Association) are overpowering, difficulting the life of humble Americans, a minority.
There are also non-assimilated populations in the US...while in "civilized" Europe, those segments were annihilated.
The US is richer, of course, Europe has no oil, no military power..and "Europe" is a "construct", a continent, nothing else.
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