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Old 04-16-2015, 12:05 PM
 
Location: United Kingdom
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Actually I think I'll just look at Ukraine and see the European response to that to show lack of unity and not being coordinated. Difference between the US bombing ISIS and European Powers with Ukraine is that the US is projecting power around the world which is something only a handful of countries can really do at the moment. Where as Ukraine is in Europe and European powers have struggled to stay united on the matter.
The difference between ISIL and Ukraine is that one is a terrorist group armed with conventional weapons clearly demarcated as an imminent military threat to everyone's interests in the region, one is a nation with a complicated cultural background brought to turmoil by diplomatic meddling by the U.S. state department, right on the doorstep of a nuclear armed former superpower and net energy provider for much of Europe.

Spot the difference?
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Old 04-16-2015, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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Are you pretending the US is doing this for free?
In the present day world, it is other countries that are subsidizing the US. Why else do you think the US didn't incurr huge inflation with its reckless QEs?
Apparently you have no idea what the US Fed has been doing. And you may have forgotten who has done most of the "heavy lifting" during the Cold War years.

FWIW - I'm in favor of withdrawing US forces from ALL foreign soil and ceding all defense of western Europe & the Pacific rim to the local countries. Y'all can deal with the Russians, Islamists, & the Chicoms/Norks. Plus, move the UN out of New York after the US quits it - and NATO.

Y'all think the US is bad, so I hope you enjoy being dominated by the China/Russia combo.
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Old 04-16-2015, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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What would the European response be in your opinion? The only one who has disagreed on the economic sanctions is Greece.
Oh please most of the countries didn't want to continue the sanctions and it took a lot of strong arming to get them. As far as what I view the European response should've been was to be united and not have to rely on the US at all and take care of affairs in it's own backyard. The US shouldn't ever have to get involved in situation in Europe in the first place but since Europe really isn't united the US usually ends up being pulled into being involved.
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Old 04-16-2015, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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If it shouldn't have been involved at all, then maybe it should have stayed away. The situation would have been no different because America's efforts were practically nonexistent, and it was the major European powers doing the bulk of the fighting.
That was the one nice change about that conflict. Still though the US shouldn't have had to provide any logistical support at all. It was in Europe's backyard you shouldn't have needed any US support.

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Once again, stop overestimating your importance in the world.
Sadly I'm not the one overestimating my nation's importance in the world here.

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Besides, when the US decides to start a new foreign war, why does it insist on its allies joining?


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Why did it need the UK in Iraq? Why did it suddenly decide that bombing Syria was a bad idea when the UK rejected to participate?
I don't know why did the UK need logistical support from the United States in the Falklands War? Or helping to deal with the IRA?

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Right now? Perhaps not, because we are in the process of changing aircraft carriers and planes, so we are admittedly a little vulnerable at this very moment, but it's just a temporary measure.
A "great power" shouldn't be in that situation.
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Old 04-16-2015, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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The difference between ISIL and Ukraine is that one is a terrorist group armed with conventional weapons clearly demarcated as an imminent military threat to everyone's interests in the region, one is a nation with a complicated cultural background brought to turmoil by diplomatic meddling by the U.S. state department, right on the doorstep of a nuclear armed former superpower and net energy provider for much of Europe.

Spot the difference?
So your trying to blame the situation on the US when it was European Union wanting to further expand that actually lead to the conflict in the first place? How typical. As far you all being dependent on Russian energy goes that is Europe's fault pure and simple. You all really should've known better.
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Old 04-16-2015, 09:43 PM
 
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Will they use Chinese yuan as the currency of settlement? Or still US dollar?
This is critical.
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Old 04-16-2015, 11:33 PM
 
Location: United Kingdom
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So your trying to blame the situation on the US when it was European Union wanting to further expand that actually lead to the conflict in the first place? How typical. As far you all being dependent on Russian energy goes that is Europe's fault pure and simple. You all really should've known better.
Read the Nuland transcript. It was the U.S. state department coordinating the aggressive political interference that led to the crisis. It was the U.S. coercing Europe to support its interests in the region, not vice versa.
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Old 04-17-2015, 12:03 AM
 
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Apparently you have no idea what the US Fed has been doing. And you may have forgotten who has done most of the "heavy lifting" during the Cold War years.

FWIW - I'm in favor of withdrawing US forces from ALL foreign soil and ceding all defense of western Europe & the Pacific rim to the local countries. Y'all can deal with the Russians, Islamists, & the Chicoms/Norks. Plus, move the UN out of New York after the US quits it - and NATO.

Y'all think the US is bad, so I hope you enjoy being dominated by the China/Russia combo.
The days are long gone when people considered the U.S. a positive force for change in the world. Those rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of leaving the rest of the world at the mercy of the Chicoms simply don't understand how intrusive and malignant its influence has become.
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Old 04-17-2015, 01:23 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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The days are long gone when people considered the U.S. a positive force for change in the world. Those rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of leaving the rest of the world at the mercy of the Chicoms simply don't understand how intrusive and malignant its influence has become.
Would you prefer the US had lost the cold war?
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Old 04-17-2015, 01:51 AM
 
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Would you prefer the US had lost the cold war?
I don't think it's particularly persuasive to use the Cold War as leverage to justify abuses of power in the present day.
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