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the AIIB is directly tied into the building of new infrastructure across central asia:
1. Central Asia gas pipeline (CAGP) – 1,830 km gas pipeline stretching from the Turkmen-Uzbek through Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan before reaching Xinjiang province.
2. China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC) is the only foreign company that has direct access to Turkmenistan’s onshore gas fields
3. Myanmar-China oil pipeline - allowing it to bypass the Malacca straits
the above 3 are just a few examples of how China intends to use the AIIB
Right, if you had bothered to watch the video you'd realise the regime that caused those catastrophic disasters before is entirely different to the capitalist-socialist one from 1978. They just keep the same name despite the regime changes, of a rotating meritocratic system, similar to the traditional one theyve used for millennia, but that is constantly in flux - which is why the Chinese regime sees in more political variation than almost any democracy.
Well this was a giant steaming propaganda crock of **** response that again completely ignores what I wrote earlier. The Chinese Communist Party can't take credit for China getting out of party since it caused that poverty in the first place and only changed economic policy to make things different after realizing how badly they screwed up in the first place. I was very specific with that earlier if you would've bothered to fully read my comments. Essentially your asking me to give the Chinese Communist Party credit for fixing there own massive **** ups. Can't do that because they created the problems in the first place.
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It's rather like still blaming the modern day US Senate for pre-1950s segregation, the Vietnam War and Civil Rights injustices etc.
Yeah your definitely a 50 cent brigade member.
Your trying to conflate segregation in the United States as being as bad as what the communist party did and is still currently doing in China. The Chinese Communist Party killed 100 million people since they took power in China. Which is far more then the Japanese ever did...no wonder the Chinese Communist Party loves to keep that issue alive to divert Chinese attention away from how bad there government screws them over. Then there is the issue of live organ harvesting done primarily to Falun Gong members in the Chinese Communist Party's attempt to kill them all off.
Essentially all this link does is talking about changes to policy after decades of failure that lead to famine and extreme poverty in China caused by the Chinese Communist Party in first place. You can't give a group credit for fixing massive mistakes they created in the first place.
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PS You do realise the vid you posted didnt actually address any of this previous vids' points or data?
It pointed out the overall BS of the speaker of the video. You would've realized that if you would've watched it. Or you ignoring the points of the video I posted since your on the Chinese Communist Party payroll.
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PPS And you do realise the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) is no longer er, Communist? The last communist state is North Korea. It's like saying the US is only democratic when the Democrats are in power, because they have it in their traditional name.
They are an authoritarian regime that runs everything in China. From internet censorship to private and state run enterprise. I could care less about the terminology even though the Chinese Communist Party still controls the state and private enterprise in China with an iron fist and loves there multi year plans.
Posted the video response to the TED talk again since you didn't bother watching it the first time.
America should join as well, if they don't want this China-led bank to succeed, why not play an inside job to ruin it(not that I think it's a good thing)? It's not like getting angry outside of it would make any difference.
You don't get it, do you?
No matter whether the US joins or not, it will play a minor role and will not be a leader like under the IMF/World Bank/ADB system. Non-regional nations will account for a maximum stake of 25%, which includes UK/France/Germany/Italy/Switzerland etc., so if the US decides to join it, it will be under the same treatment. It is not the US designed game and it will not be the boss. Japan is in an even worse situation. It wants to join but is basically forbidden by the US. What a proud country.
The whole point of the bank is to reduce the influence of the USD and globalization of the CNY. Last year, the CNY has passed the CAD and AUD as the 5th most used currency in international payment. It is a matter of time it will eclipse both the JPY and GBP and serves as the third largest currency after USD and EUR. Good luck trying to prevent that from happening.
I rather like the British way of doing thing. They consider everything as a business, from the first time they invaded China in 1804 to signing on AIIB. They don't have eternal friends of enemy, and they consistently show that philosophy. It is the spoiled US who is making everything political.
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No matter whether the US joins or not, it will play a minor role and will not be a leader like under the IMF/World Bank/ADB system. Non-regional nations will account for a maximum stake of 25%, which includes UK/France/Germany/Italy/Switzerland etc., so if the US decides to join it, it will be under the same treatment. It is not the US designed game and it will not be the boss.
Japan is in an even worse situation. It wants to join but is basically forbidden by the US. What a proud country.
The US 'forbade'(even though it's not the right word to use at all) all of its allies from joining and look how did that turn out. Japan will join when she feels like joining it, America can do very little about it. If the US could really 'forbid' anyone from joining then the UK wouldn't have been able to join in the first place, as in your opinion, Britain and Japan are both America's 'minions'.
And I am aware of the maximum stake for countries outside of the region, which is exactly why America and Japan should both join. The charter of the organisation hasn't been drafted, there's only a memorandum now. China has already given up its veto power to buy more friends(and it probably worked as a ****load of other European countries just joined. Finland, Sweden, Austria, Denmark, the Netherlands etc.), if other non-Asia member states want more, they can bargain and negotiate with China, and America and Japan could well be the most powerful opposition members in this sense.
Speaking of this ****, we're currently protesting against joining it here, right in front of the presidential office, lol.
The US 'forbade'(even though it's not the right word to use at all) all of its allies from joining and look how did that turn out. Japan will join when she feels like joining it, America can do very little about it. If the US could really 'forbid' anyone from joining then the UK wouldn't have been able to join in the first place, as in your opinion, Britain and Japan are both America's 'minions'.
And I am aware of the maximum stake for countries outside of the region, which is exactly why America and Japan should both join. The charter of the organisation hasn't been drafted, there's only a memorandum now. China has already given up its veto power to buy more friends(and it probably worked as a ****load of other European countries just joined. Finland, Sweden, Austria, Denmark, the Netherlands etc.), if other non-Asia member states want more, they can bargain and negotiate with China, and America and Japan could well be the most powerful opposition members in this sense.
Speaking of this ****, we're currently protesting against joining it here, right in front of the presidential office, lol.
See, your making things childishly political won't do any good. The UK joined because it is smart enough to know times have changed and they would get more by changing their strategy. The US refuses (and you hate the idea) because of this "I don't like China. I don't want it to be more powerful" philosophy.
See, your making things childishly political won't do any good. The UK joined because it is smart enough to know times have changed and they would get more by changing their strategy. The US refuses (and you hate the idea) because of this "I don't like China. I don't want it to be more powerful" philosophy.
Join or not, won't make much a difference.
How do I get involved? I was only saying that Japan wasn't 'forbidden' from joining it, she hasn't joined because she doesn't want to (yet). If she joins, what could the US do, exactly?
If you're talking about the protest thing, they're protesting because of the way of joining it, not against the participation of the organisation, even though I fail to see how it would benefit us.
No matter whether the US joins or not, it will play a minor role and will not be a leader like under the IMF/World Bank/ADB system. Non-regional nations will account for a maximum stake of 25%, which includes UK/France/Germany/Italy/Switzerland etc., so if the US decides to join it, it will be under the same treatment. It is not the US designed game and it will not be the boss. Japan is in an even worse situation. It wants to join but is basically forbidden by the US. What a proud country.
The whole point of the bank is to reduce the influence of the USD and globalization of the CNY. Last year, the CNY has passed the CAD and AUD as the 5th most used currency in international payment. It is a matter of time it will eclipse both the JPY and GBP and serves as the third largest currency after USD and EUR. Good luck trying to prevent that from happening.
I rather like the British way of doing thing. They consider everything as a business, from the first time they invaded China in 1804 to signing on AIIB. They don't have eternal friends of enemy, and they consistently show that philosophy. It is the spoiled US who is making everything political.
1839.
UK's first mission to China is the Macartney Embassy in 1793 during the last years of Emperor Qianlong. Fascinating history (and lost opportunity for China).
Of the 60 largest economies, 35 have joined/applied and 25 have not.
35: China, Germany, United Kingdom, France, Brazil, India, Italy, Russia, South Korea, Australia, Spain, Indonesia, Netherlands, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Switzerland, Sweden, Taiwan, Norway, Austria, Thailand, Malaysia, Denmark, Philippines, Egypt, Singapore, Hong Kong, Finland, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Qatar, New Zealand, Bangladesh, Kuwait, Vietnam
25: United States, Japan, Canada, Mexico, Nigeria, Poland, Argentina, Belgium, United Arab Emirates, Colombia, Iran, South Africa, Israel, Chile, Ireland, Greece, Iraq, Algeria, Portugal, Venezuela, Peru, Romania, Czech Republic, Angola, Ukraine
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