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People here really want to believe that the Boers of South Africa are not African, even if all of their great-grandparents were born in Africa, and if they call their language "Afrikaans"...
The stupidity of "jus sanguinis" is incredible....
What does ''jus sanguinis'' mean in English?
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Originally Posted by snj90
Jus sanguinis is the only thing that makes sense. What difference does it make where you were born? What matters is blood, and that's why so many countries recognize the principle of jus sanguinis. You are still a member of the tribe because of blood. For example, membership in a Native American tribe usually requires Native American blood. It doesn't matter where you were born.
Blood is the most important factor of identity. Why are African-Americans called AFRICAN-Americans? Why are Irish Americans called IRISH Americans and so on? Blood and their ingrained cultural influences running through that bloodline.
Blood is the most important factor of identity. Why are African-Americans called AFRICAN-Americans? Why are Irish Americans called IRISH Americans and so on? Blood and their ingrained cultural influences running through that bloodline.
I completely agree. I'd also add that blood ties can be thought of in the same way as familial ties. It is like an extended family.
I completely agree. I'd also add that blood ties can be thought of in the same way as familial ties. It is like an extended family.
I agree with you, Even though I was born in the US and have never stepped foot in Russia, I feel a stronger connection to a Russian person I've never met, than my next door neighbor. When I speak to a Russian it's almost as if he/she is part of my family, and we have an instant connection, maybe it's more of an immigrant thing but I feel a very strong connection to Russia, it's people, and culture.
I agree with you, Even though I was born in the US and have never stepped foot in Russia, I feel a stronger connection to a Russian person I've never met, than my next door neighbor. When I speak to a Russian it's almost as if he/she is part of my family, and we have an instant connection, maybe it's more of an immigrant thing but I feel a very strong connection to Russia, it's people, and culture.
I completely agree. I'd also add that blood ties can be thought of in the same way as familial ties. It is like an extended family.
It is a extended family in a way. When I meet a Black / African Caribbean person I feel a instant connection with them its as if we are cousins.
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Originally Posted by grega94
I agree with you, Even though I was born in the US and have never stepped foot in Russia, I feel a stronger connection to a Russian person I've never met, than my next door neighbor. When I speak to a Russian it's almost as if he/she is part of my family, and we have an instant connection, maybe it's more of an immigrant thing but I feel a very strong connection to Russia, it's people, and culture.
Well for me Ukrainians also apply, My family is from eastern Ukraine/Crimea. But since I don't speak Ukrainian it's not as strong of a connection as to a Russian. But either way to me Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarussians are part of the same disfunctional family. Also I feel a strong connection to any russophone from the former Soviet Union.
Well for me Ukrainians also apply, My family is from eastern Ukraine/Crimea. But since I don't speak Ukrainian it's not as strong of a connection as to a Russian. But either way to me Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarussians are part of the same disfunctional family. Also I feel a strong connection to any russophone from the former Soviet Union.
Are they ethnic Russians? My Ukrainian ancestors are from Lviv and Poltava. Still, there is a great degree of relatedness. I think of all Slavs like an extended family. But Ukrainians are closest for me.
Are they ethnic Russians? My Ukrainian ancestors are from Lviv and Poltava. Still, there is a great degree of relatedness. I think of all Slavs like an extended family. But Ukrainians are closest for me.
We don't really know exactly the actual ratio, but we are mix. My paternal grandma is from Zhytomyr Oblast, my paternal grandpa is from Crimea (he speaks Russian but has Ukrainian last name, Алещенко. My maternal grandpa is from Irkutsk Oblast and he has a Russian last name, Бондар). I don't know where my Maternal Grandma is from exactly, but she is ethnically Ukrainian and I think she is from the Donbas region, because my Mom was born in Luhansk Oblast, but she has siblings who were born in Krasnodar Krai as well. I have other relatives from Kiev and Volgagrad. My Dad was born in Crimea and can speak both Ukrainian and Russian fluently, but his Russian is better. My Mom can speak Ukrainian but very poorly. Both my parents consider them selves to be Russian, and when I would ever bring up the subject they would just tell me to say Russian.
We don't really know exactly the actual ratio, but we are mix. My paternal grandma is from Zhytomyr Oblast, my paternal grandpa is from Crimea (he speaks Russian but has Ukrainian last name, Алещенко. My maternal grandpa is from Irkutsk Oblast and he has a Russian last name, Бондар). I don't know where my Maternal Grandma is from exactly, but she is ethnically Ukrainian and I think she is from the Donbas region, because my Mom was born in Luhansk Oblast, but she has siblings who were born in Krasnodar Krai as well. I have other relatives from Kiev and Volgagrad. My Dad was born in Crimea and can speak both Ukrainian and Russian fluently, but his Russian is better. My Mom can speak Ukrainian but very poorly. Both my parents consider them selves to be Russian, and when I would ever bring up the subject they would just tell me to say Russian.
Yes, your background does seem quite Russian, and self-identity certainly reflects that. I know no one in my family would ever consider themself Russian. In fact, to call us Russian (or to say Ukrainians are just Russians) would be an insult. No offense, of course; nothing wrong with Russians, but the Ukrainian identity is definitely distinct. In cases where one has both Ukrainian and Russian ancestry, it probably makes sense most of the time for that person to identify with the ancestry that one has more of, or can at least relate to better due to cultural ties. Even if the mix is 50/50 or something like that, I would imagine there would be one side a person is more drawn to.
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