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Old 11-09-2016, 02:30 PM
 
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How could he be serious? He's the quintessential capitalist, and he's never favored American labor. He's been one of the main exploiters of the H1b visa loophole, importing thousands of Romanians to work in his hotels and other enterprises. He has a recruiting office in Bucharest. Anyone who voted for him in the delusional belief (against all evidence) that he's for labor and the little guy will have a rude awakening soon enough.
Oh I share in your skepticism about The Donald big time, R4T.

It's just that he basically campaigned on reversing some of the extreme neo-liberal policies that has brought such ruin and pain in the industrial heartland of the US. By the way, I actually agree with Trump's stance on that; the TPP and TTIP and NAFTA were madness and should be renegotiated or reneged on if north america is to keep whatever industrial base it currently has.

The purpose of the trade policies are basically to hollow out the industrial base in favour of the financial sector in New York City and the banks. In fact, the economic program since the crash has centred on supporting the New York money centre banks at the expense of the rest of the economy (that trickle down nonsense). So if he intends to restore some health to the real economy by implication he's going to have to attack the privileges of the very same banks. In short, he'll have to restore some measure of economic planning in the hands of the government and take it from the financial sector without whose support he personally wouldn't have been able to build his fortune.

Hmmmm...it'll be interesting to see what he accomplishes....

P.S. I like Donald Trump. He's got the air of the scoundrel about him. I would've voted for him if I could.
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Old 11-09-2016, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Buenos Aires and La Plata, ARG
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Nope, nothing about race, no



Nothing about age, too



Also, nothing related to the almost 100% disparity btw the urban, educated, younger voters and the inhabitants of the dystopic suburban sprawls counterparts

Last edited by marlaver; 11-09-2016 at 03:12 PM..
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Old 11-09-2016, 02:47 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Oh I share in your skepticism about The Donald big time, R4T.

It's just that he basically campaigned on reversing some of the extreme neo-liberal policies that has brought such ruin and pain in the industrial heartland of the US. By the way, I actually agree with Trump's stance on that; the TPP and TTIP and NAFTA were madness and should be renegotiated or reneged on if north america is to keep whatever industrial base it currently has.

The purpose of the trade policies are basically to hollow out the industrial base in favour of the financial sector in New York City and the banks. In fact, the economic program since the crash has centred on supporting the New York money centre banks at the expense of the rest of the economy (that trickle down nonsense). So if he intends to restore some health to the real economy by implication he's going to have to attack the privileges of the very same banks. In short, he'll have to restore some measure of economic planning in the hands of the government and take it from the financial sector without whose support he personally wouldn't have been able to build his fortune.

Hmmmm...it'll be interesting to see what he accomplishes....

P.S. I like Donald Trump. He's got the air of the scoundrel about him. I would've voted for him if I could.
I think a Republican president would have approved NAFTA at the time. It wasn't foreseen that the results would be the end of big manufacturing in the US. Clinton approved it because the global trend at the time was to form trading blocs. It was anticipated to be a good thing.

The "trickle down nonsense" was Reaganomics, not a liberal policy at all. Saving the banks wasn't about "trickle down", it was about "too big to fail", i.e. a banking collapse would have caused an even worse recession, it was believed. Reagan would have approved NAFTA. Trump is a beneficiary of loose, easy lending, easy bank policies. Don't expect him to hold banks accountable.
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Old 11-09-2016, 02:51 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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Nope, nothing about race, no



Nothing about age, too

(18-25 years voters result)



Also, nothing related to the almost 100% disparity btw the urban, educated, younger voters and the inhabitants of the dystopic suburban sprawls counterparts
Whats up with the obsession with measuring everything by race? lol also the obsession with all this hate? "dystopic suburban sprawl counterparts" ? lol okay than..
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Old 11-09-2016, 02:53 PM
 
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Clinton = $877 million
Trump = $372 million

Trump won while spending less than half of what Clinton spent.
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Old 11-09-2016, 02:55 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Clinton = $877 million
Trump = $372 million

Trump won while spending less than half of what Clinton spent.
Thus proving that when appealing to the lowest elements in society, it doesn't take much. Xenophobia will always work on a certain sector.
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Old 11-09-2016, 02:58 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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I just realized that with the exception of Illinois, you could draw a straight line between New Jersey all the way to the border of Oregon that is completely red states.

Incredible.
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Old 11-09-2016, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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[quote=marlaver;46129087]Nope, nothing about race, no

Nothing about age, too

(18-25 years voters result)

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can't the boomers die already ?

Also, last time the republicans ran the country, 3,000 died in NYC, hundreds of trillions of dollars were spent on a war that cost many human lives and the world economy was destroyed. I'm not super crazy about the fact they would start again.
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Old 11-09-2016, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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France is a very tolerant and developped country unlike Brexit Britain and Trump's USA.
Marie Le Pen will never reach more than 30%. No one wants her!

It is hilarous to see the Anglo press saying far right is popular in France and bla bla bla...and Europe is undecromatic and racist, far right leaders are going to win...

NO

It is just the opposite! Stop reading the media.

Far right and populism is a USA/UK thing!

Democracy is just a EU conception and reality (France, Greece)!


Let's see during German and French elections!

I wish you were right, but I'm not really positive about 2017.
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Old 11-09-2016, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Pennsylvania / Dull Germany
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Also, last time the republicans ran the country, 3,000 died in NYC, hundreds of trillions of dollars were spent on a war that cost many human lives and the world economy was destroyed. I'm not super crazy about the fact they would start again.
Huh? 3,000 died in NYC due to disgusting terrorist attacks. Not due to republicans.
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