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Old 11-09-2016, 03:26 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Huh? 3,000 died in NYC due to disgusting terrorist attacks. Not due to republicans.
Bush was in denial about the issue of terrorism, at first Clinton first raised it during his Presidency, and no one knew what he was talking about. But they quickly found out. After 9/11, Bush really got on the security bandwagon, and on the war bandwagon, as well. So that may be what the other poster was referring to: Bush's obliviousness in the early part of his office.
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Old 11-09-2016, 03:30 PM
 
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can't the boomers die already ?

Also, last time the republicans ran the country, 3,000 died in NYC, hundreds of trillions of dollars were spent on a war that cost many human lives and the world economy was destroyed. I'm not super crazy about the fact they would start again.
Pure partisanship right here. Dubya Bush was a terrible President and did indeed drag us into a war in Iraq, but he certainly did not cause 9/11. A sick, disgusting ideology did. Hillary approved of the war too. She is a solid war hawk with a rich record of military intervention.
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Old 11-09-2016, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Slovakia
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Better choice from those 2 bad choices.

I hope for improovememt of US-Russian ties and I expect Trump to listen to his advisors (as he lacks knowledge on almost every important topic). So he will not make irrational quick decisions and that populist rhetoric will go away/elections are over
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Old 11-09-2016, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Unbelievable stupidity. I don't know what to say that hasn't already been said a million times over by now. I have second hand embarrassment that there's a border to a red state only 200 km away from where I live in Canada.

I'm not even convinced that Trump believes half the garbage he churns up, but I think he does believe (and know) that the American majority, or at least voting majority, are actually stupid enough to be coaxed to support him from a sentiment of pure evil rather than rationality; that this would be a more effective route to presidency.

Congratulations, USA. I am absolutely beyond speechless of your gong show. You are so beyond damaged, it's incredible.
This.
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Old 11-09-2016, 04:00 PM
 
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Yeah, it's really stupid to people who didn't lose their construction jobs to illegals or have their manufacturing jobs sent to China and Mexico. Those ignorant fools who lost their jobs don't know what's good for them, but the really smart liberals sure do.
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Old 11-09-2016, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Finland
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Well I think in retrospect, Bernie would have prevailed but not by much. The candidates that don't get the nomination always look better than the ones that do by the time the election rolls around - they've haven't been bloodied by the political process. As for the Clinton camp insulting Trump supporters, have you ever visited the politics forum? The hardcore Trump supporters (the true believers not necessarily the ones who voted for him for economic reasons) spew a consistent and vitriolic stream at liberals, Obama, Clinton, Democrats, and anyone who doesn't share their views. One comment about "deplorables" hardly compares.
Sure, but at least Sanders (like Trump) gave something to people to vote FOR, at least some HOPE. Hillary only gave something to vote AGAINST. Sure, I've visited the politics forum, and it get hideous sometimes, but that's not the point.

Clinton was arrogant and represented everything both the left and the populist right hates. Trump was just a maniac, and to be frank, the media did tolerate it too much. We've seen in Brexit and the rise of the populist parties in Europe, that "keep calm and vote the establishment instead of the maniac" isn't enough. You need something more, and that's why the establishment has lost every time.
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Old 11-09-2016, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Estonia
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This.
With Trump in charge, I hope the US won't become like the marxist Canada, where anything goes as long it's about an individuals feelings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGpZSefYvwM
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Old 11-09-2016, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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We can't underestimate the effect of voter list purges that took place in the months leading up to the elections. One of the Trump people involved in this was interviewed on radio, along with a lawyer who said it was illegal to do that within 90 days of an election. Also, many voting machines registered the opposite candidate for President to the one voters tried to enter on the machine. (News reports last night didn't specify if that problem favored a certain candidate, but take a guess....) So we'll find out (hopefully) more about this later in the week. A Congressional investigation afterwards discovered that Kerry had won the election nationally.

In the Bush/Kerry election, ALL voting machines in rural Hispanic and Native American precincts in NM (which is nearly 50% Hispanic and 10% Native American) registered a blank for those voting for Kerry. Hispanics are about 85% Democrat, and ALL Native Americans voted for Kerry, because he has an exceptionally strong record in Indian affairs in general. A group of Hispanic voters sued the state of New Mexico for their stolen votes, all was proven in court, and NM is no longer allowed to use voting machines as a result. NM voted for Clinton. So don't think the same thing couldn't happen in other states, targeting Black, Hispanic and Native voters. Jimmy Carter said after the Bush/Kerry election that he'd been an observer/monitor to 3rd World elections that were much more fair and more transparent than that one.

So you can see that Bernie wouldn't have crushed Trump. No Democrat would have crushed him, not even Elizabeth Warren, who works very strongly in Congress for working-class people, common laborers and the poor. Because the Party of Voter Suppression has been working very hard in each election since Bush to neutralize the Dem. vote. But also, many Democrats wouldn't have voted for Bernie. I'm not going to vote for some fool who says he's a Socialist, no way, no how. Sorry.
Hogwash propaganda.
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Old 11-09-2016, 04:34 PM
 
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I was quite surprised by the number of Hispanics and Asians who were voting for Trump. My closest friend is Colombian and was among the first at the polls to vote for Trump. His entire family voted for Trump except for his sister. And yes, the Obamacare nightmare weighed heavily on voters' minds. This election was far more than race.
If Trump fixes immigration that would actually help Asians so it stands to reason they would support him. Right now immigration to the US is dominated by the Latin American countries. Asians aren't given a fair sized piece of the pie. The US would be strengthened by more immigrants from Asia.
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Old 11-09-2016, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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Bush was in denial about the issue of terrorism, at first Clinton first raised it during his Presidency, and no one knew what he was talking about. But they quickly found out. After 9/11, Bush really got on the security bandwagon, and on the war bandwagon, as well. So that may be what the other poster was referring to: Bush's obliviousness in the early part of his office.
Clinton refused the offer to take Osama Bin Laden.
The 9/11 conspiracy was hatched on Bill's watch and the terrorists were allowed in before Bush took office.
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