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I know that. I am just trying to understand why the right to carry a a gun is considered an important point to make a country great.
I still haven´t got a proper answer.
A gun in America has morphed into something akin to a consumer good. So, the right to own a gun is part of a consumer’s right to buy.
It also has to do with the particular history of this country. Some people feel strongly about individual rights and that government is out to take their rights away from them, part of that being the right to own a gun.
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HMS Victory is a ship of the line, not a battleship.
They were the battleships of their time (as a matter of fact some historical writing refer to them as "battleships"), you are trying to split hairs
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The rockets mentioned in the national anthem might be just fireworks.
No they were not. for example the Battle for Fort McHenry in Baltimore (where Francis Scott Key was present), again, inform yourself.
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The congreve rocket was experimental, and makes no difference. Has nothing to do with your earlier claims.
Experimental?? LOL No, very effective and rather destructive.
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The Puckle gun was one experimental concept, and not really used. Has nothing to do with your earlier claims.
Oh it has to do with the fact that the world was already moving away from muskets at the writing time of the US constitution so the notion that some have about the 2nd amendment written only for "muskets" is idiotic.
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You think you're so full of knowledge, but you're not. Quite the contrary. You have no grounds acting all besserwisser smug.
You just have no idea on how to respond.
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You are missing an important ingredient here. The 2nd amendment was for the making of militia's. It was also the GOVERNMENT that enacted that amendment. So the weapons above were not going to be used against a militia allowed by the government.
Today with the twisting of logic, those gun ownership rights for militia's are now for protection agains YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT, not the British or any foreign enemy. That's what's so screwed up. If you seriously believe that your firepower can even compete with a fighter jet dropping a few on your he man compound, then I'm at a loss for words.
The Supreme count has already unambiguously ruled something that is very obvious reading the text of the 2nd Amendment.....it is an individual right.
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That's the impression I get as well. Many of the original policies regarding the right to bear arms were introduced at a time when they made sense. Our world today, is quite different from the one the founding fathers lived in.
That could be the nitty gritty of the opposing views -some believe the world as it we know, is the way the world will remain, while others believe in keeping their powder dry.
It seems a gang of Canadians (and couple others)..... see fit to belittle the US for its gun ownership. I think its a little because Canada was excluded from the thread title and they want to claim the US shouldn't be there either?
You missed the point completely.
One poster named the freedom to bear arms as an important point to what makes a country great.
A point some of us are questioning, since most people would probably mention things like food, arts, nature and such.
Now Dave, what do you think make a country great?
Are the countries in the thread title the best countries to live in right now?
It seems a gang of Canadians (and couple others)..... see fit to belittle the US for its gun ownership. I think its a little because Canada was excluded from the thread title and they want to claim the US shouldn't be there either?
Those who want to KEEP THÃŽS THREAD ON THE US AND ITS TERRIBLE GUN OWNERSHIP RIGHT? Should just start a thread on it. I see this as a hijack. But I know my opinion means nothing.
Well, you'd be wrong then wouldn't you Davie?
Haar; didn't even bother to review to see where this all got it's genesis did you?
I refer you back to post number 172. It went off the rails with just another bit of stupid American blather.
Now you can blame the cause instead of the reaction. We'll wait.
Haar; didn't even bother to review to see where this all got it's genesis did you?
I refer you back to post number 172. It went off the rails with just another bit of stupid American blather.
Now you can blame the cause instead of the reaction. We'll wait.
How many segments of 10 post was post 172? Over 100. Nothing to do with this latest mockery of the US
Post 172 was in reply to this
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Why ain't Canada on the list? I would pick Canada ahead of the USA.
Then post 172
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Originally Posted by cttransplant85
No way, US is the best place to live in the world bar none. Why?
-Freedom(Freedom of speech, freedom to bear arms, privacy and private property rights)
-Most expendable income in combination with low cost of living(never mentioned but huge factor in quality of life)
-OPTIONS(if you want a more socialized environment you can live in California or New York, if you want more individualized you can live in Texas or Florida)
-Defense(no one in their right mind would ever attack our mainland)
It was a general post and a ultra-conservative view. This person probably sees US cities that banned guns and have racial issues as socialistic.
You follow up with Canada's great points and it does have gun ownership ..... just more limited and quench that persons opinion that is totally political.
Canadians especially..... get all the US political wrangling news and or current knee-jerk response President's. They surely have heard a ultra-conservative response as that.
Wherever the bait or rehashed post came in..... it got turned into a Canada (superior and civilized) over a US still as if in its Wild Wild Western era of gun toting citizens. I've never saw a shopper in a grocery store with a fire-arm like I heard you might see in Texas. Still those who want the US second amendment upheld and not further banning weaponry.... are NOT the ones who do the shootings in our major cities (not going further on that).
Just because the US has a President that replies in extreme rhetoric. He won't be one forever. The US HAS ITS OWN CULTURE in even being a REDNECK for some. If diversity is a Canadian value (as always boasted higher then the US)? Then even this faction or those with degrees of it are part of the Nations diversity.
Really, suddenly it was a coincidence of this gang on a inferior US for gun ownership vs other nations who have it too? I addressed the RANTS with my PERSONAL experience by where I live. I made NO political statement vs Canada. I have no issue if guns are banned ..... but I also realize to some it's a FUNDEMENTAL RIGHT. Next will be a US uncompassionate in its healthcare system and I abhor myself our health insurance system. That's another thread too.
End of my rant and I have nothing to lessen other Nations listed here or Canada (not listed in the thread topic of Nations). Or want to be accused of derailing the thread. But time to move off this I'd say ...... or start a thread in the world forum for this sub-topic and unload on the US all you want on its Second Constitution amendment and what it SHOULD MEAN. Certainly.... it did not mean everyone should have had a cannon in their shed back then or a tank today?
How many segments of 10 post was post 172? Over 100. Nothing to do with this latest mockery of the US
Post 172 was in reply to this
Then post 172
It was a general post and a ultra-conservative view. This person probably sees US cities that banned guns and have racial issues as socialistic.
You follow up with Canada's great points and it does have gun ownership ..... just more limited and quench that persons opinion that is totally political.
Canadians especially..... get all the US political wrangling news and or current knee-jerk response President's. They surely have heard a ultra-conservative response as that.
Wherever the bait or rehashed post came in..... it got turned into a Canada (superior and civilized) over a US still as if in its Wild Wild Western era of gun toting citizens. I've never saw a shopper in a grocery store with a fire-arm like I heard you might see in Texas. Still those who want the US second amendment upheld and not further banning weaponry.... are NOT the ones who do the shootings in our major cities (not going further on that).
Just because the US has a President that replies in extreme rhetoric. He won't be one forever. The US HAS ITS OWN CULTURE in even being a REDNECK for some. If diversity is a Canadian value (as always boasted higher then the US)? Then even this faction or those with degrees of it are part of the Nations diversity.
Really, suddenly it was a coincidence of this gang on a inferior US for gun ownership vs other nations who have it too? I addressed the RANTS with my PERSONAL experience by where I live. I made NO political statement vs Canada. I have no issue if guns are banned ..... but I also realize to some it's a FUNDEMENTAL RIGHT. Next will be a US uncompassionate in its healthcare system and I abhor myself our health insurance system. That's another thread too.
End of my rant and I have nothing to lessen other Nations listed here or Canada (not listed in the thread topic of Nations). Or want to be accused of derailing the thread. But time to move off this I'd say ...... or start a thread in the world forum for this sub-topic and unload on the US all you want on its Second Constitution amendment and what it SHOULD MEAN. Certainly.... it did not mean everyone should have had a cannon in their shed back then or a tank today?
You made some very good points without them being anywhere near a rant.
I take issue with that bolded segment where you suggest Canadians are pushing Canada's moral superiority even emotively suggesting use of the term "Wild Wild Western" when we've done no such thing; we're responding to an American viewpoint of having "superior" freedoms due to the 2nd amendment.
I also take issue with your suggestion it's Canadians claiming a higher cultural diversity when simply perusing these boards would have shown you the obverse being the actual FACT. C'mon now Dave. let's take a walk though these threads and see exactly who it is that sets these threads ticking with assumptions of superiority.
Canada is the great socialist satan used as your personal whipping boy by all and sundry Americans desiring to vilify everything from our hate speech laws to our single payer healthcare system.
I remind you once again the firearms issue was introduced by an American or is that point going to be totally ignored by you?
In the singular context of firearms ownership; most Canadians couldn't give a rip about the issue and certainly would not use it as a platform to claim superiority as American posting on here have done.
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and they want to claim the US shouldn't be there either? 
