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Old 01-14-2018, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Sweden
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No, But I don't see the opposite as being true either.
A peaceful country where people don´t have to carry guns is not a great country, is that what you are saying?
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Old 01-14-2018, 02:23 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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And as the US has suffered a lot of mass-shootings, I find it highly unlikely that it wouldn't have affected the subconsciousness of the populace.
Mass shootings are disturbing when they happen. But you have to keep in mind that the U.S. is a country of 320 million people. 99.99% of that population is never going to commit anything like a mass shooting.

Mass shootings are usually committed by mentally deranged or disturbed individuals. So, the chance that any one person will become a victim of a mass shooting is quite low. The threat "on the ground" feels about as real as Kim Jong Un sending a nuclear weapon hurling towards your city.

Nonetheless, it is a national concern and we would of course prefer to never have mass shootings.
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Old 01-14-2018, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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A peaceful country where people don´t have to carry guns is not a great country, is that what you are saying?
Americans don't have to carry guns.
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Old 01-14-2018, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Finland
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Mass shootings are disturbing when they happen. But you have to keep in mind that the U.S. is a country of 320 million people. 99.99% of that population is never going to commit anything like a mass shooting.

Mass shootings are usually committed by mentally deranged or disturbed individuals. So, the chance that any one person will become a victim of a mass shooting is quite low. The threat "on the ground" feels about as real as Kim Jong Un sending a nuclear weapon hurling towards your city.

Nonetheless, it is a national concern and we would of course prefer to never have mass shootings.

It's not my point that the fear would be realistic in any way, but I think it affects the psyche of the population. Just like the chance of dying in a terrorist attack in Europe is even more minimal, but people seriously ask these days on C-D if it's safe to travel to Europe. The fear is irrational, but it still is there.
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Old 01-14-2018, 05:44 PM
 
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Americans don't have to carry guns.
Exactly.....no one is forced to carry guns in the US....
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Old 01-14-2018, 05:48 PM
 
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It is interesting (and understandable) that people that have the most misconceptions about guns in America are people not living in the country....
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Old 01-14-2018, 06:24 PM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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We should not have guns. We do not need guns. It must be a paranoid society when citizens fantasize that they need to walk around with a gun or keep a gun in their own home. The rest of us have the right to be free of those who own guns.

I am not fearful of guns where I live because we have strict laws against them but I will not travel to the south of this country. That's where the gun nuts seem to live. They'll be happy that I'm not there too. and that's what this country has come to. No one seems to agree on anything anymore in what used to be the USA.
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Old 01-14-2018, 08:43 PM
 
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So you think oppressive governments are a thing of the past?? It can never happen again?? LOL
How exactly are guns supposed to counter an oppressive government? Remember that the second amendment was written in the late 18th century when guns were quite different than they are today.

Nowadays every government has tanks, fighter jets, RPG's, drones.... Not exactly the most basic form of weaponry.
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Old 01-14-2018, 10:50 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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By the way, you know that private citizens can legally own artillery in the US right?? Yes, technically is possible.

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So If Joe Blow can afford to buy a M1 Abrams Battle tank they should just be able to mosey on by to General Dynamics Land Systems and buy one for their 'personal use' and 'protection'? My god where does it end.
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Old 01-14-2018, 10:55 PM
 
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Governments had cannons, artillery, rockets and battleships back then too (early machine guns design pre-date the US constitution, contrary the the laughable notion that the 2nd amendment was for "muskets")......destructive devices are not very effective for "granular", effective population control....

By the way, you know that private citizens can legally own artillery in the US right?? Yes, technically is possible.


The notion that the 2nd amendment is "antiquated" is as misleading as the one that try to equate legal gun ownership with crime.
I agree with the last part. There's a lot more to crime than gun ownership.

Nevertheless, if guns are meant to be a deterrent to crime, then why have they seldomly worked as advertised? We often here how more guns are bound to reduce crime/murders, yet the US leads the charge there amongst developed countries.
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