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Again you are getting into the "mine is better than yours" debate. That was not the intent. Canada focuses more on collective rights, which is great, it's a philisophical discussion. But with that comes some sacrifice of individual rights. In terms of due process, Canada and the US are very similar. I don't think you usually have jury trials for civil cases, not a big deal. But the US Bill of Rights is very absolute, while Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms are fluid and subject to more latitude. An example is freedom of expression - Canada dictates the right of free speech, but the state can limit it in reasonable ways. This may be contrasted with the absolute language of the First Amendment of the United States Bill of Rights, which states: "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech or of the press." The words of the Canadian guarantee acknowledge the state's right to limit free speech; the words of the American forbid the state from doing so.
"Violates the First Amendment's guarantee of free speech by prohibiting the recipients of search orders from telling others about those orders, even where there is no real need for secrecy.
Violates the First Amendment by effectively authorizing the FBI to launch investigations of American citizens in part for exercising their freedom of speech. "
I thought you were willing to discuss the differences in a sincere manner, not divert the topic into "but, the US is doing this...". I tried to give you the benifit of the doubt, I see I was wrong.
I see you and the other guy have a different agenda then the topic at hand. Once again, maybe P&C is more for you to discuss this. I see you both frequent that forum, it explains quite a bit. Regretfully, you will probably end up getting this thread locked.
"Violates the First Amendment's guarantee of free speech by prohibiting the recipients of search orders from telling others about those orders, even where there is no real need for secrecy.
Violates the First Amendment by effectively authorizing the FBI to launch investigations of American citizens in part for exercising their freedom of speech. "
I thought you were willing to discuss the differences in a sincere manner, not divert the topic into "but, the US is doing this...".
I see you and the other guy have a different agenda then the topic at hand. Once again, maybe P&C is more for you to discuss this. I see you both frequent that forum, it explains quite a bit. Regretfully, you will probably end up getting this thread locked.
When you make false statements, expect to be corrected.
I post on a number of different forums here on C-D, including Genealogy. I have as much right to post on this forum as you do.
When you make false statements, expect to be corrected.
I post on a number of different forums here on C-D, including Genealogy.
I made no false statement and you failed to respond sincerely to my explanations, instead choosing to divert the topic. On the contrary, when you hijack a thread with your own agenda expect to be likewise "corrected" .
I made no false statement and you failed to respond sincerely to my explanations, instead choosing to divert the topic. On the contrary, when you hijack a thread with your own agenda expect to be likewise "corrected" .
You stated
"But the US Bill of Rights is very absolute, while Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms are fluid and subject to more latitude. An example is freedom of expression - Canada dictates the right of free speech, but the state can limit it in reasonable ways. This may be contrasted with the absolute language of the First Amendment of the United States Bill of Rights, which states: "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech or of the press."
We have given you examples, where it is not absolute.
"But the US Bill of Rights is very absolute, while Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms are fluid and subject to more latitude. An example is freedom of expression - Canada dictates the right of free speech, but the state can limit it in reasonable ways. This may be contrasted with the absolute language of the First Amendment of the United States Bill of Rights, which states: "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech or of the press."
We have given you examples, where it is not absolute.
The Bill of Rights in the US constitution is absolute (although, theoretically, you can change a constitutional amendment). By practical necessity, the interpretation of it is not. Again we are getting into common sense: you can't yell fire in a crowded theater if no fire. While the American right of free speech admits of some limits in the name of reason or practical necessity, the fact remains that what would be counted as a reasonable limit on speech in Canada would often amount to an unreasonable limit in the United States.
Trump became popular mainly because a large segment of American citizens don't want the United States to turn into a Latin American country through illegal immigration.
I tend to agree that fits the meaning of conservatism, at least an aspect of it.
The irony in that is many AMericans that support Trump are very similar to many Latin Americans in mentality. They are evangelical/religious, poorly educated, extremely right wing, hate anything deemed progressive or politically correct, believe easily in conspiracy theories etc etc. If anything I would say Trump and his followers are making the US more similar to a Latin American country.
Many poor Latin AMericans love Trump for standing up for evangelicals and don't understand why more Americans don't vote for him.
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