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Old 11-26-2022, 09:40 AM
 
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Oh great, like we need another Vietnam.
Let them fix their own problems.
Whereas I am no hawk, it should be noted that this has nothing to do with Viet Nam. The reason that the world's eye is on this has nothing to do with sone vague notions about preventing Communism from spreading--Taiwan controls something like 65% of the world's semi-conductor output (90% of the advanced chips), and will for a very long time. If China destroys the plants in taking Taiwan, the world's economy collapses, and our technology goes backwards 50 years. It China seizes the plants, they control the world, period.
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Old 11-26-2022, 12:10 PM
 
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TSMC chartered seven planes earlier this week to move top engineers and their families to relocate to the US. Six more chartered planes will follow suits.

https://youtu.be/pdzLAemqsfo

Taiwan DPP lost heavily in yesterday / today's local elections, with opposition party KKMT winning 13 cities/counties. DPP managed to retain only 5 seats.
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Old 11-26-2022, 02:04 PM
 
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TSMC chartered seven planes earlier this week to move top engineers and their families to relocate to the US. Six more chartered planes will follow suits.

https://youtu.be/pdzLAemqsfo

Taiwan DPP lost heavily in yesterday / today's local elections, with opposition party KKMT winning 13 cities/counties. DPP managed to retain only 5 seats.
Running a campaign on fear mongering can only last so long. Also, a terrible tactic for local elections since the local officials have no control over foreign policy. No wonder the DPP lost. I do think you are making too much into this development. Sometimes a party wins, sometimes they lose, but everything cycles around. I would be more concerned if both parties suddenly adopted an anti-U.S. pro China. Then you're screwed either way.
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Old 11-26-2022, 02:08 PM
 
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Most allied countries have military overseas exchanges, military representatives at Embassies and other military working relationships, but this doesn't mean they are bases.

There are only 60 British personnel stationed in Australia, and around 25 of these hold defence attaché roles in the British High Commission in Canberra and at Australian Defence Department sites near the capital, such as the Headquarters Joint Operations Command at Bungendore.

The remaining 35 British personnel are most likely either part of a military exchange programme or are there due to agreements such as Five Eyes, and it should be noted that the Australian Embassy in London will be home to Australian Military Personnel, whilst there will be Australians at places such as Sandhurst, Shrivenham, Dartmouth, Cranwell, GCHQ and the The Defence Intelligence Fusion Centre at Wyton, which is the world's only hub where personnel from across the Five Eyes alliance.

The British and Australian Navy's have always worked closely together, and there are numerous exchange programs in terms of personnel.

It also should be noted that NATO's Allied Rapid Reaction Corps at Imijin Barracks in Gloucester includes personnel from over 23 countries, and the NATO Allied Maritime Command (MARCOM) at Northwood in North London also draws personnel from numerous NATO countries.

In terms of Sunak, he's been quite fair in relation to China, and is trying to foster warmer relations, as for Singapore, it's part of the Five powers alliance which includes Australia, Malaysia, New Zealand, Singapore and the United Kingdom. So Britain is committed to the defence of Singapore.
Did you know Sunak stated: Rishi Sunak
@RishiSunak

United Kingdom government official
1/ China and the Chinese Communist Party represent the largest threat to Britain and the world’s security and prosperity this century.


https://twitter.com/rishisunak/statu...83420865347585
This tweet was made this year. BTW I thought it was Russia the biggest threat to Britain and the world security and prosperity to this country for a British prospective.

BTW Sunak stated when he becomes Prime Minister he will do this:

Britain’s domestic spy agency MI5 would be used to help combat Chinese espionage, and he would look to build “NATO-style” international cooperation to tackle Chinese threats in cyberspace.

He would also study the case for banning Chinese acquisitions of key British assets, including strategically sensitive tech firms
Sunak claimed China was “stealing our technology and infiltrating our universities” and “propping up” Russian President Vladimir Putin by buying Russian oil, as well as attempting to bully neighbours, including Taiwan.

He hit out at China’s global “belt and road” scheme for “saddling developing countries with insurmountable debt”.

“They torture, detain and indoctrinate their own people, including in Xinjiang and Hong Kong, in contravention of their human rights. And they have continually rigged the global economy in their favour by suppressing their currency,” he added.

“Enough is enough. For too long, politicians in Britain and across the West have rolled out the red carpet and turned a blind eye to China’s nefarious activity and ambitions
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...-britain-world

BTW the British PM and the Chinese president had an perfect opportunity to meet at the recent G20 in Bali, but it was cancelled:

According to Reuters, a meeting between Chinese President Xi Jinping and British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, scheduled for Wednesday, was canceled due to "scheduling issues," as the British side claimed. However, Chinese experts believe that it is possible that the cancellation is a way for China to express its strong dissatisfaction with Britain's recent provocations on the Taiwan question.https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202211/1279711.shtml

The UK especially with its new Prime minister is certainly fueling the flames of the tensions of China tensions.

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Old 11-27-2022, 01:47 AM
 
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nothing to do with the "new" Prime Minister, that conclusion was reached some time ago during the time of Boris Johnson as PM.
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Old 11-27-2022, 11:21 PM
 
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TSMC chartered seven planes earlier this week to move top engineers and their families to relocate to the US. Six more chartered planes will follow suits.
There is a new plant in Arizona and some people have been relocated. Did you actually think it was evacuation? Lmao

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Taiwan DPP lost heavily in yesterday / today's local elections, with opposition party KKMT winning 13 cities/counties. DPP managed to retain only 5 seats.
The municipal elections are completely irrelevant to China.

Worry about China instead. Some protesters are about to be mowed down lol.
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Old 11-28-2022, 04:54 AM
 
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nothing to do with the "new" Prime Minister, that conclusion was reached some time ago during the time of Boris Johnson as PM.
OK, it insane. But the new prime minister is following what Boris Johnson is doing.

Anyway I live in Australia which is closer to China than the UK. I am over the over the top anti China talk from politicians. A wiser approach with China regarding Taiwan is quiet diplomacy. With it it means "softly softly" approach, quiet diplomacy is the attempt to influence the behaviour of another state through secret negotiations or by refraining from taking a specific action.

Already the UK and USA are very much focused on the Ukraine and giving them extensive military assistance. Yet it be wiser to tone down the anti China rhetoric. A reason is if Putin is able to listen and hear what a world leader has to say, he will listen to the Chinese president. It can influence Putin actions with the war in Ukraine and only Putin can have the authority to ending the war in Ukraine.
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Old 11-28-2022, 07:30 AM
 
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Did you know Sunak stated: Rishi Sunak
@RishiSunak

United Kingdom government official
1/ China and the Chinese Communist Party represent the largest threat to Britain and the world’s security and prosperity this century.


https://twitter.com/rishisunak/statu...83420865347585
This tweet was made this year. BTW I thought it was Russia the biggest threat to Britain and the world security and prosperity to this country for a British prospective.

BTW Sunak stated when he becomes Prime Minister he will do this:

Britain’s domestic spy agency MI5 would be used to help combat Chinese espionage, and he would look to build “NATO-style” international cooperation to tackle Chinese threats in cyberspace.

He would also study the case for banning Chinese acquisitions of key British assets, including strategically sensitive tech firms
Sunak claimed China was “stealing our technology and infiltrating our universities” and “propping up” Russian President Vladimir Putin by buying Russian oil, as well as attempting to bully neighbours, including Taiwan.

He hit out at China’s global “belt and road” scheme for “saddling developing countries with insurmountable debt”.

“They torture, detain and indoctrinate their own people, including in Xinjiang and Hong Kong, in contravention of their human rights. And they have continually rigged the global economy in their favour by suppressing their currency,” he added.

“Enough is enough. For too long, politicians in Britain and across the West have rolled out the red carpet and turned a blind eye to China’s nefarious activity and ambitions
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...-britain-world

BTW the British PM and the Chinese president had an perfect opportunity to meet at the recent G20 in Bali, but it was cancelled:

According to Reuters, a meeting between Chinese President Xi Jinping and British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, scheduled for Wednesday, was canceled due to "scheduling issues," as the British side claimed. However, Chinese experts believe that it is possible that the cancellation is a way for China to express its strong dissatisfaction with Britain's recent provocations on the Taiwan question.https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202211/1279711.shtml

The UK especially with its new Prime minister is certainly fueling the flames of the tensions of China tensions.
Sunak is spot on about Xi.
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Old 11-28-2022, 07:59 AM
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Prime minister to make first major foreign policy speech, favouring a long-term, pragmatic attitude to Moscow and Beijing.

Rishi Sunak will pledge an “evolutionary approach” to British foreign policy, arguing that states like Russia and China plan for the long term and the UK needs to follow suit as he attempts to set out his vision for the country’s place on the global stage.

In his first major foreign policy speech since becoming prime minister, he will draw on his years running the Treasury to say that the UK’s strength abroad must be underpinned by a strong economy at home as it stands up to competitors with “robust pragmatism”

“This means being stronger in defending our values and the openness on which our prosperity depends. It means delivering a stronger economy at home – because it is the foundation of our strength abroad. And it means standing up to our competitors, not with grand rhetoric but with robust pragmatism.”

China, in particular, represents a challenge for Sunak, as his instincts are softer than those of many Tory MPs and, as chancellor, he sought significantly closer economic ties with Beijing. Talks with the Chinese leader, Xi Jingping, at the G20 summit in Indonesia were cancelled at the last minute after a missile explosion on the Polish border.

The government is currently revising its 2021 integrated review of security and foreign policy to take account of geopolitical shifts since it was first published. It will set out the importance of building strong ties in Europe after the UK’s departure from the EU, a view expected to be reflected in Sunak’s speech.

The prime minister will also talk about deepening partnerships in other parts of the world, such as the Indo-Pacific region, and preparing for the sharpening of inter-state competition due to the actions of countries like Russia, China and Iran.

“Freedom and openness have always been the most powerful forces for progress. But they have never been achieved by standing still,” Sunak is expected to say. “Under my leadership we won’t choose the status quo. We will do things differently.

“We will evolve, anchored always by our enduring belief in freedom, openness and the rule of law and confident that, in this moment of challenge and competition, our interests will be protected and our values will prevail.”

Sunak to set out ‘evolutionary’ approach to dealing with Russia and China -The Guardian (27th November 2022)

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Old 11-28-2022, 09:28 AM
 
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OK, it insane. But the new prime minister is following what Boris Johnson is doing.

Anyway I live in Australia which is closer to China than the UK. I am over the over the top anti China talk from politicians. A wiser approach with China regarding Taiwan is quiet diplomacy. With it it means "softly softly" approach, quiet diplomacy is the attempt to influence the behaviour of another state through secret negotiations or by refraining from taking a specific action.

Already the UK and USA are very much focused on the Ukraine and giving them extensive military assistance. Yet it be wiser to tone down the anti China rhetoric. A reason is if Putin is able to listen and hear what a world leader has to say, he will listen to the Chinese president. It can influence Putin actions with the war in Ukraine and only Putin can have the authority to ending the war in Ukraine.
China along with India are probably the only two countries able to influence Putin in a major way. I do agree with the need for a different approach. The current approach is doing nothing more than making defense industry richer while ramping up inflation for everyone else. Unfortunately, many politicians must create and or maintain the "tough guy” image. Softer approaches don't win votes.
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