Interested in buying land in Wyoming, that isn't mormon majority (Laramie: lawyers, home)

[jody_wy]

yeah, there lot what 2A has twisted, never heard most all of everything he said in the decades I gone to church....Biggest thing the Church teaches is one has free agency for each and everyone to choose their own path.

[NDak15]

Originally Posted by nowhereman427

A page out of the "Stepford Wives"??

There is a surprising number of Stepford Wives from various religious groups in 2023. Pretty shocking.

[nowhereman427]

Originally Posted by NDak15

There is a surprising number of Stepford Wives from various religious groups in 2023. Pretty shocking.

Sounds good

[jody_wy]

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[heavymind]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

And I hope you can find a nice little piece of land where there are no Mormons within a hundred miles of you in any direction. Incidentally, Montana, Colorado and New Mexico have only between 2% and 5% Mormons.

You're acting a bit defensive here...re-read the thread title. The OP doesn't want to live in a Mormon majority town or area not because he doesn't like Mormons, but because they "don't like" him. And by "don't like" I'm not referring to any kind of obvious mistreatment or malice, but rather behind-the-curtain behavior that affects one's employment, business, politics, and social networks. Exclusion. Most people don't want to be excluded within their own community.

"Mormon nice". They truly are nice people, very friendly and family-oriented, and that's great. But as a non-Mormon in a Mormon majority area be prepared to feel like a second class citizen or outcast.

[heavymind]

Originally Posted by nowhereman427

A page out of the "Stepford Wives"??

Funny you say that because my non-Mormon family moved to Utah from the East Coast in the late 1970s when that movie came out. Throughout my childhood I remember my parents making comments/jokes that they felt like they were surrounded by Stepford Wives because all the Mormon wives were so unusually friendly, never had a bad thing to say, and stayed busy pumping out 6-10 kids and being housewives.

I was too young to really get the Stepford reference at the time. I don't think I ever even saw the movie until I was adult but I can see why my parents thought that way.

[NDak15]

Originally Posted by nowhereman427

Sounds good

Really?

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by heavymind

You're acting a bit defensive here...re-read the thread title.

The OP says he has nothing against Mormons, but just doesn't want to live where the majority of the people are Mormons. I totally get that. As I said before, I am very, very strongly in favor of the separation of church and state, for this very reason. I realize that this is a problem in Utah. In the OP's Post #30, he said, "Mormons use the government to enforce their morals," and then listed a number of examples to illustrate his point. I responded by saying (in my Post #44): "Many of these points are valid and could impact the life of a non-LDS person."

The OP doesn't want to live in a Mormon majority town or area not because he doesn't like Mormons, but because they "don't like" him. And by "don't like" I'm not referring to any kind of obvious mistreatment or malice, but rather behind-the-curtain behavior that affects one's employment, business, politics, and social networks. Exclusion. Most people don't want to be excluded within their own community.

My issue with the OP is not that he doesn't want to live where he doesn't feel welcome. Who would? I certainly wouldn't.

The OP has repeatedly made it a point to discuss LDS doctrine -- or maybe I should say what he perceives LDS doctrine to be, even though 90% of what he claims to be LDS doctrine is inaccurate. (I'm not the only LDS person who has pointed that out.) It's not only disinformation; it's also inflammatory and insulting. He says, "It's not a persons religious belief that affects me." If that's the case, then why even mention any points of so-called "doctrine" that couldn't possibly have any affect on him at all? Case in point, he says Mormons believe that God "[rules] over the planet Star Kolob." Well, we don't, but so what if we did? How on earth would that make a difference in his life? Maybe he could tell us why it would. He had a bad experience living in Utah. I sympathize with him; I really do. I can see how it would be difficult to be part of the minority in any community with as large a majority as the LDS are in Utah. That's not the problem. The problem is that he simply wants people to think that Mormons are a bunch of wackos, among other things. You say I'm "a bit defensive." I have every right to be. I say he's the one who's defensive. He doesn't want to live where there is an LDS majority. He gave some legitimate reasons for feeling as he does. And then he went into overkill mode. That was his mistake.

[heavymind]

I take it you're not a fan of the play The Book of Mormon?

Lighten up and laugh a little.

[2ATexan]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

The OP says he has nothing against Mormons, but just doesn't want to live where the majority of the people are Mormons. I totally get that. As I said before, I am very, very strongly in favor of the separation of church and state, for this very reason. I realize that this is a problem in Utah. In the OP's Post #30, he said, "Mormons use the government to enforce their morals," and then listed a number of examples to illustrate his point. I responded by saying (in my Post #44): "Many of these points are valid and could impact the life of a non-LDS person."

My issue with the OP is not that he doesn't want to live where he doesn't feel welcome. Who would? I certainly wouldn't.

My issue with the OP is that he has repeatedly made it a point to discuss LDS doctrine -- or maybe I should say what he perceives LDS doctrine to be, even though 90% of what he claims to be LDS doctrine is inaccurate. (I'm not the only LDS person who has pointed that out.) It's not only disinformation; it's also inflammatory and insulting. He says, "It's not a persons religious belief that affects me." If that's the case, then why even mention any points of so-called "doctrine" that couldn't possibly have any affect on him at all? Case in point, he says Mormons believe that God is a "celestial God ruling over the planet Star Kolob." Well, we don't, but so what if we did? How on earth would that make a difference in his life? I can't for the life of me figure out why it would. He had a bad experience living in Utah. I sympathize with him. The problem is that he simply wants people to think that Mormons are a bunch of wackos, among other things. You say I'm "a bit defensive." I have every right to be.

Katzpur, you and another here keep bringing the conversation back to that. I dont want to argue with you about your religion. But since you are calling me a liar.....

Here is information on Lamanites, and its racial components. Some straight from BYU!

https://rsc.byu.edu/book-mormon-seco.../lamanite-mark

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon...20Black%20race.

https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/topic/lamanites

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamanites

Heres info on how mormons believe God was human and now rules over the Kolob planet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon...one%20of%20God.

https://biology.byu.edu/00000172-29e...olution-packet

https://byustudies.byu.edu/article/t...ical-analysis/

https://www.ldsliving.com/3-fascinat...-kolob/s/82249

https://byustudies.byu.edu/article/k...governing-one/

Heres some info about Nephites and Meroni

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephit...out%20589%20BC.

https://rsc.byu.edu/book-mormon-four...phite-prophets

Heres some info about the 3 immortal Nephites

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Nephites

https://rsc.byu.edu/book-mormon-3-ne...ne-translation

https://rsc.byu.edu/book-mormon-keys...hurches-christ

Heres some info about your wicked city prophecy

https://emp.byui.edu/jexj/new/talks/...ftProphecy.pdf

https://afterthemannerofchemish.blog...-prophecy.html


Now would you like to talk about your secret hand shakes, rituals, magic underwear, or shaking the hand through the white veil wall? No? Me either. Because im just here to search out areas for possible living and investment. This will be my last response regarding the workings of mormonism. Best wishes to you.