Collective bargaining rights restricted (wages, to move, wealthy)

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by bortstc37

i'm just picturing a future where people will be so desperate for work that jobs will essentially go to whoever is willing to work for the least amount of money.

the middle class was fun while it lasted.

It's practically that way in Vermont already. People with college degrees flipping burgers or if working in their field, making little more than the people flipping burgers, because there's too few jobs (no one wants to relocate a business to such an overtaxed, over-regulated state). Employers treat workers like crap here because they know they can get away with it. And the teachers' unions here have taxed many people out of their homes and into the ground because they have so much power.

It's even worse in some other states. Ever see what happens in states like WV and KY with the mining industry and the mine workers?

[Marty Van Diest]

Collective bargaining is when workers negotiate with their employers. In the public sector they are negotiating with bureaucrats who do not have skin in the game.

If public employee contracts were put to a direct vote of the people...that would be OK.

By the way, do federal employees have the right to collective bargaining? No they don't.

[bortstc37]

yes! the workers are no longer exploited in every way possible.

[naturesdreams]

Oh RedJacket... gotta lov' ya... LOL.......... protest after protest here in Wisconsin and still lost collective bargaining.... "Coming Soon... to a Closed Session Near you!!" LOL ... be watchful... Please don't just lay back on your laurels.... Middle Class??? what's that

[justNancy]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

It's a privilege to work for the people not a right and not an entitlement.

So why is Congress allowed to vote for its own pay increases? Does this mean they don't work for the people?

[Ultrarunner]

Originally Posted by Milleka

And, so by serving the interests of the people the public worker should be stripped of all their rights? I think not. Most public employees don't receive enough pay and benefits anyway. Collective bargaining helps ensure workers are compensated fairly and have safe working conditions.

And many do quite nicely...

OSHA and other agencies are mandated to deal with safe working conditions.

You would never know by the tremendous response to government gob postings that public employees don't receive enough pay and benefits

[RedJacket]

Originally Posted by naturesdreams

Oh RedJacket... gotta lov' ya... LOL.......... protest after protest here in Wisconsin and still lost collective bargaining.... "Coming Soon... to a Closed Session Near you!!" LOL ... be watchful... Please don't just lay back on your laurels.... Middle Class??? what's that

Well, there is a hold on things in WI for now, and more politicians are going to be recalled than were Tylenol back in the 80s.

If this takes hold in Alaska, we'll see if the mooseheads have the same kind of fight in them as the cheeseheads.

[RedJacket]

Originally Posted by justNancy

So why is Congress allowed to vote for its own pay increases? Does this mean they don't work for the people?

You need to ask? Politicians are auctioned off to the highest corporate bidder. You and I are totally irrelevant.

[Ultrarunner]

Originally Posted by RedJacket

You need to ask? Politicians are auctioned off to the highest corporate bidder. You and I are totally irrelevant.

They said that about the Governor of California too... that is until he raised car license fees and the people recalled him from office

[RedJacket]

Originally Posted by Ultrarunner

They said that about the Governor of California too... that is until he raised car license fees and the people recalled him from office

That might not have happened if not for the deep pockets of another politician who wanted Davis gone. Looking back, I wonder how many people in CA regret recalling him.