Success among Caribbean American&Latin American groups (similarities, country, people)
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LOL at the notion of Cubans "Not being Caribbean". I've been to Cuba and they're nothing BUT Caribbean smh.
But of course, everyone in the USA loves to look at the peculiarity of ethnic relations there and extrapolate all kinds of nonsense about people's home countries based on that.
We are getting into semantics here. Cuba is part of the Caribbean. They are considered part of the cultural "Latin Caribbean". They are not Caribbean in the same way Jamaica and Barbados are lumped but they are still part of the broader Caribbean.
I'm referring to data from the US Census Bureau.
No, Cubans are not "Caribbeans" in the Anglosaxon jargon, sorry.
Maybe for the tourist industry.
As to excuses and uncletommying, don't imitate them, please.
U.S. Census Bureau: Facts about Cuban-Americans
(Not the whatever..whatever)
Cuban-Americans have acquired an enormous amount of wealth and prosperity in an extremely short period of time; no other immigrant group has achieved this as quickly as the Cubans. Many immigrants have never achieved it at all, despite being in this country far longer than Cubans.
Second-generation Cuban-Americans were more educated than even Anglo-Americans. More than 26.1% of second-generation Cuban-Americans had a bachelor's degree or better versus 20.6% of Anglos. Thus Cuban-Americans in 1997 were approximately 25% more likely to have a college degree than Anglos. Other Hispanic groups lag far behind. Only 8.1% of South Americans had a bachelor's or better. Puerto Ricans, despite being U.S. citizens by birth, recorded a disappointing 11%; Mexicans only 7%. In 1997, 55.1% of second-generation Cuban-Americans had an income greater than $30,000 versus 44.1% of Anglo- Americans.
Thus Cuban-Americans are approximately 20% more likely to earn more than $30,000 than their Anglo-American counterparts. All other Hispanic groups lag far behind in average income. In 1997, 36.9% of second-generation Cuban-Americans had an income greater than $50,000 versus 18.1% of Anglo- Americans. Cuban-Americans were twice as likely to earn more than $50,000. Also, approximately 11% of Cuban-Americans had incomes greater than $100,000 versus 9% of Anglo-Americans, and less than 2% of other Hispanics.
Cubans comprise less than 4% of the U.S. Hispanic population, Mexicans 65%, Puerto Ricans 10%, Central and South Americans 11%, and "others" Yet of the top 100 richest Hispanics in the U.S., more than 50% are of Cuban descent (ten times what it should be on a population basis), and 38% of Mexican descent. The rest is scattered among all other Hispanic groups.
My data refer to 2009, and yours to 1997, a gap of TWELVE years. Obviously 2009 provides information that is likely to be more accurate in describing the current socio -economic status of Cubans.
This is your problem. Yes there is an elite among Cuban Americans who ae doing quite well, and to use your numbers, 26% of US born Cubans have at least 4 year college education. What you are NOT factoring in is what is happening to the remaining 74%.
The American Community Survey bases its data on the US CENSUS. According to that in 2009 the median income of household sconsisting of people who claimed Cuban ancestry was ON PAR with Haitians, and LESS than Barbadians, Guyanese, Jamaicans and Trinidadians. Among the major Caribbean groups it exceeded only Dominicans and Puerto Ricans. And not by a huge amount either!
Here is your problem. It is definitely true that the richest 1% of Cubans earn more than the equivalent groups in other Caribbean communities. But it is also true that when we attempt to draw a picture of how the more typical Cuban lives, there are NOT better off than are blacks from the non Hispanic Caribbean.
Your confusion is that you focus on the SUCCESSFUL 26% and ignore the average. Well ACS data is based on the MEDIAN, meaning that 50% of Cuban households earn less than do 50% of West Indian households. This method isused to avoid the confusion created by a small group of highly successful households, exaggerating how well most others are doing.
Cuba is in the Caribbean. If you feel insulted to be linked to the same region which includes Haitians, Jamaicans, Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, or Trinidadians I can't help you.
Cuba, Puerto Rico and the DR are in the Caribbean. "West Indies" excludes the Hispanic Caribbean.
Cuba is a member of the Caribbean Tourism Organization.
Sadly there are fractures between the various linguistic groups in the Caribbean. This because many maintain a fantasy that the only people involved in shaping who the Caribbean iare the former colonial powers. So the notion that Cuba has more in common with Bolivia and Paraguay than it does with Haiti and Jamaica appears.
The Caribbean is formed based on the interactions with Europe, Africa and the Indigenous Americas. In almost all scenarios sugar and slavery were involved. There is significant over lap in the regions from which enslaved peoples from Africa were brought.
This is also enhanced by the intra Caribbean migrations which have occurred. In the early 20th C there was migration of people from the Anglo Caribbean and Haiti to the DR and Cuba, drawn there by US employers in the sugar industry. The migration of Haitians to the DR continues today.
Dominicans can be found almost every where in the Caribbean. In all instances these migrants have brought aspects of their culture to their new homes. So Santiago de Cuba is in many respects a "Haitian" city, especially when compared to Havana. Dominicans are bringing their culture to islands like the USVI, BVI, St Maarten, St Kitts-Nevis, and Antigua. Just as earlier waves of migrants brought their culture to the DR. Obviously Haiti, and the DR, neighbors, have culturally influenced each other.
So despite the fact that these nations might have had different colonial histories, there is a significant amount of cultural over lap. Take a European or an African to virtually any Caribbean country and they will soon detect a definite pan Caribbean flavor. Indeed some define it as extending from New Orleans down to Rio, and also encompassing the Guyanas, and the Caribbean coastal regions of Colombia, Venezuela and Central America.
Seriously. When Dominican kids have their "Dem Bow" competitions, how many even know or care that this is Jamaican music and dance? Ditto for Cubans.
Can somebody tell me which Caribbean and Latin groups tend to be successful IN THE UNITED STATES and which tend to have a harder time on average?
A few months ago, i've read that Cubans, Trinidadians, Peruvians, Costa Ricans, Bajans(Barbados) and Chileans tend to be more successful in America on average compared to other Latin&Caribbean groups. Based on my experiences, this seems to be true. Most individuals that I know of in these groups fall into the middle class ranges.
While Mexicans, Haitians, Salvadorians and Dominicans in America tend to be less successful on average. Based on my experiences, this seems to be true as well.
Would you say that this is generally correct. You can use personal experiences and/or sources to back yourself up. Normally I use sources when making such statements but I can't find the website that I read a while back.
Trinidadians.... Someone knows about us!!! Nice to make any list if it is a postive one . Cool ! It is kind of tricky to compare larger counties to island nations. The island does have a literacy rate of 98.8%. Also compared to some of the other countries on the list we speak English as a first language so we have a bit of an advantage when it comes to finding work and doing business with the general population if self employed and new to the country.
Thank god for the link that caribny posted. People here talking about Haitians being poor yet their average income is higher than Cubans? I hate when people talk with no facts but use one place as a source and think it runs true for the whole nation.
What I find interesting is that Haitian immigrants are doing better than Dominicans, who have no replaced Puerto Ricans as being the poorest Caribbean origin group.
Now much depends on who migrates to the USA.
It is clearly seen that migration from Cuba was skewed to the top in the 60s, and has become less selective, since, but the difficulties in migration suggest that it is the most driven who come. Cubans are disproportionately white, even when one uses US definitions of race.
Migration from Haiti and the English speaking Caribbean being more diverse, with all but the richest and the poorest migrating.
Migration from Puerto Rico has changed. The post WWII migration consisted heavily of the rural poor, whereas the post 1980 migration tends to be a more middle class cohort.
Dominican migrants tend to come from the poorer and less educated segment of the population, maybe as the dynamic economy reduces the need for its better educated to leave.
This will clearly impact how well each Caribbean group does. So one cannot compare Cubans with Dominicans, and then draw conclusions from that beyond the demographics of each. In fact, even as Puerto Ricans aren't seen as being especially successful, those in FL have now caught up to Cubans, even though they are much more recent migrants.
Trinidadians.... Someone knows about us!!! Nice to make any list if it is a postive one . Cool ! It is kind of tricky to compare larger counties to island nations. The island does have a literacy rate of 98.8%. Also compared to some of the other countries on the list we speak English as a first language so we have a bit of an advantage when it comes to finding work and doing business with the general population if self employed and new to the country.
Migrants from the English speaking Caribbean have several advantages.
1. Being native English speakers.
2. Having a culture broadly similar to that of Americans. They therefore quickly learn how to operate within US contexts, and the more educated cohort aren't punished for being too "foreign" as are some from other groups.
3. Caribbean females have a very high labor force participation rate, and are among the most educated female immigrants.
The result isn even though less educated than are immigrants on average (lower levels of college attainment on arrival), this is offset by being able to squeeze into the lower middle class rungs of the labor force more easily than other groups. Caribbean females are as likely to work as their male cohorts, and earn only slightly less.
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Trinidadians!!! Wow we actually made a list!!!
