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Why would you want to embrace segregation? That's a disgusting form of racism, clasism, and exclusion. Smh
IM TALKING ABOUT FACTS IN AMERICAN HISTORY!! THINGS THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED AND THE POSITIVE OUTCOMES THAT CAME WITH IT! if black americans werent segregated they would more than likely be in the same situation that blacks in latin america are now! they claim that race isnt a factor in their society, yet the evidence suggest otherwise. they were blinded thinking they were all EQUAL. as time went on they got comfortable thinking this is the way of life is supposed to be. whites are the successful achieving people while the black and "brown" be enslaved to the favelas/slums. its only until recently they have faced reality and realized its because the color of their skin why they cant make it in their society. SO YES LIKE IVE SAID BEFORE, SEGREGATION WAS A GOOD THING FOR BLACKS IN AMERICA. IT GAVE THEM A COMMUNITY, A CHANCE TO HAVE ORGANIZATIONS, EDUCATE THEIR OWN, BUILD BLACK SCHOOLS, HAVE BLACK BUSINESSES,ETC ETC.......... have the blacks in latin america been able to do this???!! ......oh ok.
IM TALKING ABOUT FACTS IN AMERICAN HISTORY!! THINGS THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED AND THE POSITIVE OUTCOMES THAT CAME WITH IT! if black americans werent segregated they would more than likely be in the same situation that blacks in latin america are now! they claim that race isnt a factor in their society, yet the evidence suggest otherwise. they were blinded thinking they were all EQUAL. as time went on they got comfortable thinking this is the way of life is supposed to be. whites are the successful achieving people while the black and "brown" be enslaved to the favelas/slums. its only until recently they have faced reality and realized its because the color of their skin why they cant make it in their society. SO YES LIKE IVE SAID BEFORE, SEGREGATION WAS A GOOD THING FOR BLACKS IN AMERICA. IT GAVE THEM A COMMUNITY, A CHANCE TO HAVE ORGANIZATIONS, EDUCATE THEIR OWN, BUILD BLACK SCHOOLS, HAVE BLACK BUSINESSES,ETC ETC.......... have the blacks in latin america been able to do this???!! ......oh ok.
I was just speaking in general on USA segregationism. It didn't do anyone any good or any favors. Also if blacks did better during segregation why did they lag behind and why was there a civil rights movement?
Blacks are doing better today because segregation was ended, and integration allowed for more equality or for issues of racism and marginalization to be addressed. In fact it led to more cohesiveness and to a unique identity with a unique experience and foundation for AAs to be built upon.
Are you going to say that South African apartheid was better for black people in South Africa?
Segregation does nobody any good.
One can be unified within one's own group in an integrated society.
And who said anyone in any place in the world is equal? Racism and inequality exists everywhere.
Would you agree with Duck Dynasty's controversial comments then?
Blacks are doing way better today because the segregationist and racist barriers have been removed.
You have to understand that in most Latin American nations, except for Cuba, there was no segregation and there was no one drop rule. Also Afrodescendants in Latin America tended to vie for socioeconomic upward mobility through individual means rather than collective means, and using education as a means for advancement in society. Afrodescendants are active in many aspects of society however. While there is racism in Latin America, there it tends to be more ingrained and meshed with classism.
No one area or group is better than the other. Each is just unique and different in it's own context, right and situation. At the end of the day it's all two sides of the same coin.
I think it's a slap in the face of African Americans and mixed races and people of color that fought hard at the civil strife and the struggle for liberation and equality in the USA to say that AAs should have remained in a state of solitude or seclusion, desperation and despair. AAs are better off today because of their hard work in fighting for their rights, and for this just about everyone in the USA and perhaps the world owes to what they have achieved andbfor those that come to the USA today.
IM TALKING ABOUT FACTS IN AMERICAN HISTORY!! THINGS THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED AND THE POSITIVE OUTCOMES THAT CAME WITH IT! if black americans werent segregated they would more than likely be in the same situation that blacks in latin america are now! they claim that race isnt a factor in their society, yet the evidence suggest otherwise. they were blinded thinking they were all EQUAL. as time went on they got comfortable thinking this is the way of life is supposed to be. whites are the successful achieving people while the black and "brown" be enslaved to the favelas/slums. its only until recently they have faced reality and realized its because the color of their skin why they cant make it in their society. SO YES LIKE IVE SAID BEFORE, SEGREGATION WAS A GOOD THING FOR BLACKS IN AMERICA. IT GAVE THEM A COMMUNITY, A CHANCE TO HAVE ORGANIZATIONS, EDUCATE THEIR OWN, BUILD BLACK SCHOOLS, HAVE BLACK BUSINESSES,ETC ETC.......... have the blacks in latin america been able to do this???!! ......oh ok.
Race and racism is a factor in Latin American society and in every part of the globe. It's no secret and most know it. Also people like to blame the USA for importing racism when racism and colorism has always been in places since ancient times. It is like a cop out excuse. Smh. None of this racist and colorist nonsense in Latin America started in the USA, that's for sure. It was there since forever.
And blacks and people have always been speaking out against and still speak out against racism and marginalization in Latin American nations, and blacks there have had their own unique movements. They dont need African Americans or other Afrodiasporic people to free or save them or messiah them or be their Moses. Things manifest themselves in different ways and you have to understand context and how things have to be done in certain ways and certain experiences occur and are channeled in a multitude of ways and nuances.
You can't impart the methods used on one society or group and impose it onto another. Using the one size fits all approach is not going to work, or else you won't get it right.
Also look up American history because it's much more complex and nuanced than what you stated. Nothing was a cakewalk for people of African descent in the USA or in Latin American and Caribbean nations.
IM TALKING ABOUT FACTS IN AMERICAN HISTORY!! THINGS THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED AND THE POSITIVE OUTCOMES THAT CAME WITH IT! if black americans werent segregated they would more than likely be in the same situation that blacks in latin america are now! they claim that race isnt a factor in their society, yet the evidence suggest otherwise. they were blinded thinking they were all EQUAL. as time went on they got comfortable thinking this is the way of life is supposed to be. whites are the successful achieving people while the black and "brown" be enslaved to the favelas/slums. its only until recently they have faced reality and realized its because the color of their skin why they cant make it in their society. SO YES LIKE IVE SAID BEFORE, SEGREGATION WAS A GOOD THING FOR BLACKS IN AMERICA. IT GAVE THEM A COMMUNITY, A CHANCE TO HAVE ORGANIZATIONS, EDUCATE THEIR OWN, BUILD BLACK SCHOOLS, HAVE BLACK BUSINESSES,ETC ETC.......... have the blacks in latin america been able to do this???!! ......oh ok.
And travel to Latin America and abroad. There are plenty of black, Afrodescendant, and Afrodiasporic organizations spreading and creating awareness on Afrodescendants in all nations and unity and ethnic communal and community identities and building to fight inequality and to speak out against marginalization.
IM TALKING ABOUT FACTS IN AMERICAN HISTORY!! THINGS THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED AND THE POSITIVE OUTCOMES THAT CAME WITH IT! if black americans werent segregated they would more than likely be in the same situation that blacks in latin america are now! they claim that race isnt a factor in their society, yet the evidence suggest otherwise. they were blinded thinking they were all EQUAL. as time went on they got comfortable thinking this is the way of life is supposed to be. whites are the successful achieving people while the black and "brown" be enslaved to the favelas/slums. its only until recently they have faced reality and realized its because the color of their skin why they cant make it in their society. SO YES LIKE IVE SAID BEFORE, SEGREGATION WAS A GOOD THING FOR BLACKS IN AMERICA. IT GAVE THEM A COMMUNITY, A CHANCE TO HAVE ORGANIZATIONS, EDUCATE THEIR OWN, BUILD BLACK SCHOOLS, HAVE BLACK BUSINESSES,ETC ETC.......... have the blacks in latin america been able to do this???!! ......oh ok.
Steve Berlack hosts BET Tonight. Steve facilitates a provocative discussion regardling cultural, national and ethnic influences on self-identification.
I sense that many of you are younger than I am. I'm 60, so I grew up in the culture of the 50s and 60s.
People of color from South America, North and Central America are not in competition with one another. We need the view points and contributions of the entire body.
But first ... "mach234" ... "brother?" .... you are soooooooooo wrong.
I've heard other young black people romanticize Jim Crow segregation and the logic of it is absurd as people saying the Jewish Holocaust never happened.
Yes, there was a centralized community where people had to buy and sell with each other... but it was overt apartheid ... where you could also be hung at any moment. You think that's a good thing? ((LOL)) The conditions of life were substandard at best. I won't go on because your argument (not you) sounds like someone so traumatized by Post-traumatic Slave Syndrome that you're anxious to get back into the Big House. Totally absurd and totally disrespectful to the millions who sacrificed to put an end to segregation ... and after all that, years later, people who did not experience that dehumanizing terror, comes along telling them that they did the wrong thing??
We Won!
There was a shift of consciousness ... and now, there are some who want to go back to the plantation??
Here we are speeding through a holographic universe like Space Travelers at the far edge of yet another monumental shift in spiritual consciousness... and you want to go BACK?
[Enough said ... but before anyone gets mad, please continue reading--->
The world, not just everyone throughout the Diaspora ... lives under the influence of Social Engineering... call it, "The Matrix".
Everything below in bold blue is a link and I hope you'll have the curiosity to check them out.
Culture ... I've heard some wonderful definitions of it.
I congratulate the responses from South Americans, North and Central Americans.
White, black, "mixed" ... and all the other absurd labels people are boxed in.
After all.. the agenda is to, "Divide and Conquer"... (it all goes back to the Norman Conquest)
Just as many whites aren't owning their juicy shadows as blacks, Asians, Latins ... or other humans. We're all humans ... and ... we're all "African" under the skin. We push away some of our greatest teaching!
I like how this lady describes the power we're leaving on the cutting floor by not embracing parts of ourselves that we're told shouldn't be there:
In case some of you don't believe that we're all Africans, I'm also posting a link to
Dr. Spenser Wells, "The Journey of Man".
[Blond haired, blue eyed Dr. Wells has two Ph.D.'s in Genetics... one from Oxford, and one from Stanford.]
I'd like to add one more thing ... we ARE different cultures... and thank Goddess we probably will never see everything the same. But .. we can do business!
And that's the biggest challenge each of you may face... how to actualize yourselves and bring your gifts to the table when the old money wants you to believe the okey-doke and feel less-than.
National Security Memorandum 46."
Research it. President Jimmy Carter enjoys a nice reputation.
But he was and is one of the greatest white supremest to tie up two shoes. He authored and implemented NSM 46. It declares ownership of the continent of Africa by the United States. It goes further and instructs interlinking agencies to disrupt whenever possible, blacks from working together.
Keys to ALL that ails any of us begin with answers found in those sources.
If the slavery of Christianity or any of the Abrahamic religions still has you trapped, blaming yourselves or others who look like you, then you may want to check out the Gnostics.
Carl Jung and Joseph Campbell are also pretty good sources in explaining the symbols of your ancestor's wisdom ... but they stop short of admitting the true source of where the knowledge came from.
I love how this guy breaks down the symbolism of the Christian Bible. Check it out if you must... but remember, in following the bread crumbs backwards to unlocking the door to your psych freedom, you must decide not to have fear. Each of us is on an Odyssey ... a journey and you are the Holy Grail in which the superpower of love ... not hate, jealousy, nor fear... must pour into. Bill Donahue on, "Hidden Meanings"
Still ain't hearing it? Even Hollywood ... or should I say especially Hollywood, is taking the bits of the pillars of YOUR culture and whitewashing it back to you.
Ever watch "Hellboy" or movies like, "Blade"?
We're riding at the far edge of yet another major change of human consciousness.
The Genie cannot be put back in the bottle.
Empower yourselves. Investigate each other. Embrace difference because everything is within you.
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Keep in mind that blacks throughout Latin America have had their own movements and struggles and have spoken out and spoken up and continue to do so. You can't resort the ASSumption or mantra of one size fits all or if you don't see it, then it didn't or doesn't exist.
The issue in Latin America aren't the "black" groups who advocate for greater exclusions. It is those who condemn these groups as importers of US style racial resentment. I showed links elsewhere to indicate that Brazil has had black empowerment groups almost as old as the NAACP, making liars of those who claim that these groups are run by a tiny minority who are copying black Americans. In 1915 American blacks were in no position to know or care about the plight of blacks and dark mulattos in Brazil.
Cuba has had these groups since independence and indeed there were massacres of several thousand blacks in 1912, because they advocated for greater socio economic exclusion, and were resentful that, despite the strong role of blacks and mulattos in the wars of independent, a post independent Cuba shoved them aside.
Again making liars of those who claim that appeals and advocacy by blacks in Latin America is a recent import from the USA.
Imported or not the amount of slaves through the history in both countries was almost the same. Tell me one thing...Are you Mexican?
Don't understand what point you are trying to make. If you equate slavery in the USA with that of Brazil then you make my point that both societies have a legacy of oppressing peoples of African descent. Both societies are racist. The main difference is that black Americans have been given more space to struggle for the removal of barriers of race and to advocate for diversity than in Brazil. As a result, even though the population of people who are visibly Afro descendant is larger in Brazil than in the USA, they are much less visible in arenas outside of entertainment and sports, and are much less represented in the upper middle class.
As a result in that last 20 years the black empowerment movement, which was present and active in the earlier parts of the 20th century, though crushed by the army dictators (as were other civic groups) has become much more active. They have forced an open discussion of race and colorism and demand that Brazil must reflect its diverse origins in its media, and create more space for upward mobility of people who are black or dark mulatto. This because the post civil rights success of a fairly substantial part of black America made a lie of those who claimed that Brazil treated its blacks better than other nations.
Most slaves brought to the USA did NOT come from the Caribbean.
Up to 1/3 of the slaves imported into the USA came from the Caribbean. Try to think why tiny islands like St Kitts and Barbados imported 160k, and 600k slaves between the late 17th and late 18th centuries. As prosperous as their sugar industries was its hard to believe that Barbados with its mere 166 square miles really needed all of those slaves, even given that most had a life span of under 10 years.
You ought to know that George Washington had a cousin in Barbados (the only time he left the USA was to visit that island). Thomas Jefferson's grand father was a planter from St Kitts. The planters in those islands were very involved in assisting the planters in North America against the British, even though they were in no position to fight for independence, given the very different demography of those islands. So there were strong family ties between the plantations of New York, South Carolina and Virginia, when they were under British rule, and the British Caribbean colonies. Indeed Alexander Hamilton was born in Nevis.
The theory was that importing slaves from Africa was expensive for a number of reasons, beyond the cost of purchase in Africa and transport to the Americas. A large % of the captured Africans couldn't or refused to adjust to the life of a slave and were "unproductive". Suicides amongst those newly arrived was also high, as was the mortality.
Many US planters preferred "seasoned" slaves, those who survived and who eventually adjusted to life as a slave, as they became "productive" soon after introduction to the plantation. Some were less interested in bearing the risk that newly captured slaves posed, and so bought those who had been "broken" on Caribbean plantations.
You will note that the descriptions are analogous to converting a wild horse to a domesticated farm animal. because after all that is how they saw slaves.
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Such interesting responses!!
and the logic of it is absurd as people saying the Jewish Holocaust never happened.
